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Do I sound okay or am i just kidding myself?(If this is too much personal info you can remove it)

BlackBear94

Hermit
My name is Nick as you may have seen in my first post. I have all these crazy ideas and perspectives because i have quite literally been living in solitary confinement. It's hard to explain it in a way that doesn't sound trouble some. in the last 8-9 months i have only spoken about 10 hours worth of dialogue. (it gets really annoying when you do have to talk because you realize you haven't spoken so long that you can't control the volume of your own voice too well) I don't talk to anyone. and I'm in a constant state of depression. I like it though. It's a different kind of depression. It's as if I've lived in this state of sadness for so long that somehow it has turned into a sort of humble self apathy. I find that i have an increased intrinsic desire to do good things and be kind. and by self apathy i mean i can be kinder than anyone i know because i don't ever mind putting my body through the ringer. Strangely i find that it validates my existence.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Wow, very interesting.

You mention depression. Do you actually feel depressed? Or are you at peace and joyful (by joy I don't mean jumping up and down - a quiet sort of joy is fine)? I mean, how do you define "depression?"

Do you know why you are sad? (I think a person can be a bit sad but also content at the same time - just not sure about the LENGTH of sadness you say you are experiencing.) I mean, sometimes we have valid, real reasons for being sad. I don't think it's abnormal to be sad about things that SHOULD make us sad.

You mention wanting to do good things and to be kind. Do these ideas actually involve real interaction with real people? If so, what sort of interaction?

How are you "putting your body thru the wringer?" How does this involve other people? I ask because you mentioned living in a state of solitary confinement.

Finally, have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness? Are you currently or have you been under the care of a medical professional?
 

BlackBear94

Hermit
Wow, very interesting.

You mention depression. Do you actually feel depressed? Or are you at peace and joyful (by joy I don't mean jumping up and down - a quiet sort of joy is fine)? I mean, how do you define "depression?"

Do you know why you are sad? (I think a person can be a bit sad but also content at the same time - just not sure about the LENGTH of sadness you say you are experiencing.) I mean, sometimes we have valid, real reasons for being sad. I don't think it's abnormal to be sad about things that SHOULD make us sad.

You mention wanting to do good things and to be kind. Do these ideas actually involve real interaction with real people? If so, what sort of interaction?

How are you "putting your body thru the wringer?" How does this involve other people? I ask because you mentioned living in a state of solitary confinement.

Finally, have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness? Are you currently or have you been under the care of a medical professional?
Here's how things are:
1) most probable reasons why i am depressed
-runs in the family
-dad doesn't give a **** if i succeed in life so long as my college "phase" doesn't cost him too much money
-never see my mother any more
-the only thing i ever want to talk about is stuff that we talk about here on RF. but no one i know personally wants to think about this ****
-right now I'm figuring out all the financial aid, loans, w-2 tax forms and over all school on my own
2) regardless of all of the above. i wouldn't have it any other way. and i will never take an anti- depressant. because i refuse to give up the person i am now for some smiling idiot who is happy for no reason at all.
3) I mean i will do something if it will help another person regardless of how much it will hurt me. for example I donate a giant bag o blood every three months 4 times every year, and plan to til i die. last month after I gave 450 mL, my dad asked me if i could help move his work stuff into his new office. I passed the **** out after like 5 minutes :p Not one of my friends or family even knows I volunteer at samaritans. which i have to walk an hour and a half to and from so my dad doesn't freak out.
4)in conclusion I'm crazy but I'm happy about it :p
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, whatever else you're doing you're not letting convention dictate your values. In that light, you're in good company.

The Road less Traveled is mostly off-road though: lots of bumps and ditches and not too many rest areas. :D
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Here's how things are:

Thanks for responding in detail, though you didn't really answer any of my questions. ;) That's OK - I can work with what you've given me for now.'

1) most probable reasons why i am depressed
-runs in the family

Who in your family has been diagnosed with clinical depression? What was their course of action after the diagnosis? What path has their life taken since the depression manifested? Is this a life prognosis that you want to pursue?

-dad doesn't give a **** if i succeed in life so long as my college "phase" doesn't cost him too much money

What do you base this statement on? Has he told you this? Does he live nearby? How often do you see your dad? Do you make an effort to have a healthy relationship with your dad?

-never see my mother any more

Does she live nearby? If not, who moved further away - you or her - and why? When was the last time you contacted her, and for what reason? What was the outcome of that contact? Why do you think you never see your mom any more and what do you base that opinion on?

-the only thing i ever want to talk about is stuff that we talk about here on RF. but no one i know personally wants to think about this ****

Now - I can certainly understand your position on this! :D But aren't you in college? What courses are you taking and do you actually attend class, or are your classes online? If you attend class, what sort of interactions do you have with other students?

-right now I'm figuring out all the financial aid, loans, w-2 tax forms and over all school on my own

Be careful about those loans -be sure you are going to get a good return on your investment. It IS your investment after all. What is your major? What are your career plans? What year of your education are you in now? How many more years of school do you have in your plans? Who will be paying for this education?

2) regardless of all of the above. i wouldn't have it any other way. and i will never take an anti- depressant. because i refuse to give up the person i am now for some smiling idiot who is happy for no reason at all.

You may not need an anti depressant. Personally, I believe in avoiding drugs as much as possible. Have you been diagnosed with depression or any other mental illness?

I struggle with OCD. I have taken meds for it on occasion, but I don't like the way the meds make me feel like I just don't give a damn about any sort of excellence, drive, etc. But I have been able to control the more troublesome aspects of OCD by simply having it diagnosed, being aware of the reality of how it can mess up my life, and making small choices every day which help me control it. Also, it's only really troublesome if I am under a lot of stress, so I try to minimize stress in my life. OCD is my way of trying to regain control when I feel I've lost it. Recognizing that as my reality has really helped me conquer my inner demons so to speak.

This takes effort and sometimes the effort seems unattractive because it seems easier just to "go with the urges." But in the long run, those urges can overtake our lives and even ruin our lives.

When I do take meds for the OCD, which is very rare, I take the absolute minimum dosage - and get off them within a few months again. I like me.

3) I mean i will do something if it will help another person regardless of how much it will hurt me. for example I donate a giant bag o blood every three months 4 times every year, and plan to til i die.

That's fantastic.

last month after I gave 450 mL, my dad asked me if i could help move his work stuff into his new office. I passed the **** out after like 5 minutes :p Not one of my friends or family even knows I volunteer at samaritans. which i have to walk an hour and a half to and from so my dad doesn't freak out.

What's Samaritans? Is it the blood donor place or some other sort of mission? Why would your dad freak out about you volunteering somewhere?

4)in conclusion I'm crazy but I'm happy about it :p

We're all a little crazy, so welcome to the club.

You don't really sound depressed to me by the way. You sound maybe, I don't know, a bit overwhelmed by the complexities of adult life (that's not an accusation by the way). When we're overwhelmed, we sometimes retreat. Could this be part of your picture?
 

BlackBear94

Hermit
Thanks for responding in detail, though you didn't really answer any of my questions. ;) That's OK - I can work with what you've given me for now.
sorry


Who in your family has been diagnosed with clinical depression? What was their course of action after the diagnosis? What path has their life taken since the depression manifested? Is this a life prognosis that you want to pursue?
My grandmother had it, though i'm not sure if it was just genetic, she was abused by my grandfather in his middle years and her middle child(my uncle joey) hung himself(years before i was born). i never even knew she had depression. old Irish gals are very proud and stubborn. she fell down the stairs and hit her head 8 months ago, she was on blood thinners so it only took a day for her brain to flood. my grandfather followed with cancer last month.

What do you base this statement on? Has he told you this? Does he live nearby? How often do you see your dad? Do you make an effort to have a healthy relationship with your dad?
we spend days on end dwelling in the same residence without a single word exchanged. he thinks the only requirement for being a great dad is to finance your child, let them figure out the rest on their own.
Does she live nearby? If not, who moved further away - you or her - and why? When was the last time you contacted her, and for what reason? What was the outcome of that contact? Why do you think you never see your mom any more and what do you base that opinion on?
my mom lives a 45 minute walk/5 minute drive away. They just don't have "room" for me in every sense of the word. i think we both drifted apart around christmas 2010 when my stepdad (apparently he can't stand a moderately messy teenager) told my mom it was either him or us. my dad was in New Hampshire so i spent christmas until New years with my girlfriend(at the time) and her family

Now - I can certainly understand your position on this! :D But aren't you in college? What courses are you taking and do you actually attend class, or are your classes online? If you attend class, what sort of interactions do you have with other students?
hehe no I'm a high school senior, going to the University of Maine at Orono to study philosophy and psychology. I'm going to be in the Outdoor Adventure dorm. so basically life gets awesome after i leave Boston.


Be careful about those loans -be sure you are going to get a good return on your investment. It IS your investment after all. What is your major? What are your career plans? What year of your education are you in now? How many more years of school do you have in your plans? Who will be paying for this education?
I will be the only one investing in me. my dad makes around 100k a year after taxes but he would much rather buy property in new hampshire than invest in a "dead beat kid who is going to just drop out"
(even though entirely on my own i managed to get a 3.4 gpa, 14 college credits(about 4 college semester courses) from my ap tests, a 2060 sat score, and $10,000 in scholarships)
You may not need an anti depressant. Personally, I believe in avoiding drugs as much as possible. Have you been diagnosed with depression or any other mental illness?
hell i haven't even been diagnosed with lactose intolerance yet.

I struggle with OCD. I have taken meds for it on occasion, but I don't like the way the meds make me feel like I just don't give a damn about any sort of excellence, drive, etc. But I have been able to control the more troublesome aspects of OCD by simply having it diagnosed, being aware of the reality of how it can mess up my life, and making small choices every day which help me control it. Also, it's only really troublesome if I am under a lot of stress, so I try to minimize stress in my life. OCD is my way of trying to regain control when I feel I've lost it. Recognizing that as my reality has really helped me conquer my inner demons so to speak.
Here's my dilemma, ontop of not being me, i don't want the drugs or any help because my depression is what drives me to these extraordinary realms of thought. right now that is the most important thing to me, it makes me feel like I'm really awake and not just moving with the flow.




This takes effort and sometimes the effort seems unattractive because it seems easier just to "go with the urges." But in the long run, those urges can overtake our lives and even ruin our lives.

When I do take meds for the OCD, which is very rare, I take the absolute minimum dosage - and get off them within a few months again. I like me.



That's fantastic.


What's Samaritans? Is it the blood donor place or some other sort of mission? Why would your dad freak out about you volunteering somewhere?
Samaritans is a volunteer operated suicide hotline, as you might have seen earlier, my daddyo lost his bro to this kind-o stuff-o

We're all a little crazy, so welcome to the club.
Sometimes I'm really crazy though like i can spend hours thinking. i think my Acute ADD helps in a way, i can't stay focused on one thing but when it comes to life you don't have one thing to focus on, it's an emergence of everything, and sometimes i can think about everything at the same time. this is when reality starts to shake a bit. only because thinking about it long enough makes its validity questionable

[You don't really sound depressed to me by the way. You sound maybe, I don't know, a bit overwhelmed by the complexities of adult life (that's not an accusation by the way). When we're overwhelmed, we sometimes retreat. Could this be part of your picture?
haha no, I've gotten to the point where being around other people doesn't make me stop pondering my own imminent death and subsequent possible adventure into the unknown. in other words, people just aren't doing it for me anymore. i dont want human compassion, I'm hungry for some ponderous ideas.
 
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JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
I've been in similar situation. Though I hated it, and yearned for social interaction. In fact, I understand how you explained controlling your volume. I also found out that from being in such solitary living condition will bring about much more anxiety when it comes to leaving.

But if you feel its a good thing, and has allowed you to be kinder to others, and your happy, then that is good. Now use this kindness and make it flow to others :)
 

BlackBear94

Hermit
The hardest thing is when people assume because you do so much for others, that you yourself don't need anyone elses help
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
The hardest thing is when people assume because you do so much for others, that you yourself don't need anyone elses help

I know what you mean. Like just because you smile, means your all okay when in reality your not. I've been struggling with depression t
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
What I am tryin to say bro, is that I sorta understand how you feel. I can kinda relate and so if you ever want to talk I am always open to help. :)
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Here's how things are:
1) most probable reasons why i am depressed
-runs in the family
-dad doesn't give a **** if i succeed in life so long as my college "phase" doesn't cost him too much money
-never see my mother any more
-the only thing i ever want to talk about is stuff that we talk about here on RF. but no one i know personally wants to think about this ****
-right now I'm figuring out all the financial aid, loans, w-2 tax forms and over all school on my own
2) regardless of all of the above. i wouldn't have it any other way. and i will never take an anti- depressant. because i refuse to give up the person i am now for some smiling idiot who is happy for no reason at all.
3) I mean i will do something if it will help another person regardless of how much it will hurt me. for example I donate a giant bag o blood every three months 4 times every year, and plan to til i die. last month after I gave 450 mL, my dad asked me if i could help move his work stuff into his new office. I passed the **** out after like 5 minutes :p Not one of my friends or family even knows I volunteer at samaritans. which i have to walk an hour and a half to and from so my dad doesn't freak out.
4)in conclusion I'm crazy but I'm happy about it :p

Don't knock the medication if it gets serious.

But I understand what you are saying. I went through the course of anti-depressants and Lithium. I'm not who I was ten years ago but then again.......I don't want to be. There are some aspects I miss. I was more sociable but I learned that people found me somewhat dangerous and harder to be around.

I accepted that bouts of depression will be with me forever. Amazingly, knowing that was the biggest boon to my treatment than anything else. Because you give up playing a part for other people.

And some of the drugs don't necessarily stop the crazy. I took a heavy dose of Lithium for a few years. Didn't change my thoughts. Just changed the way I handled them. My dreams are as vivid as ever. My mind still goes a mile a minute but I can stop it now.

But then again, I did have a close friend of mine recently suggest that I need to get in on the clinical trial she is conducting for anti-depressants. Sometimes it's really hard to self-evaluate.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
It sounds like you are going through the same things many teenagers your age have gone through (since you are still in high school, I assume you are a teenager). Others on this forum have gone through it, I went through it as well as did my brothers. I have a sister-in-law going through it now. This isn't meant to marginalize your situation, but to let you know that you are not alone.

You have to take care of yourself though. It's good to help out others, but if you push yourself to far without thinking of the consequences, you are going to be help to no one. If you can't properly take care of yourself, how do you expect to help or really take care of others? That will end up suffering.

It all gets better though. I know it is easy to think your dad doesn't care, but maybe he just doesn't know how to show it. Maybe his father was the same way or worse. Just keep that in mind. And really, just take care of yourself.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Humm curious.

Well, I think I may understand some of what you say.

More than once I feel I have had this feeling other people may call "depression" (and probably it wasn´t actually depression) and felt it felt... peaceful, calm. I liked like the... slow pace of things that it brought, internally.

The funny thing is that most people associate feeling "empty" with feeling bad, but this feeling is and was a lot like feeling empty. Just that it was good.

While I never called it depression, I alwasy recognized it seemed to at least share a few patterns in some ways, least internally, to sadness.

Have you tried meditation or yoga?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.

My grandmother had it, though i'm not sure if it was just genetic, she was abused by my grandfather in his middle years and her middle child(my uncle joey) hung himself(years before i was born). i never even knew she had depression. old Irish gals are very proud and stubborn. she fell down the stairs and hit her head 8 months ago, she was on blood thinners so it only took a day for her brain to flood. my grandfather followed with cancer last month.

So you've lost two grandparents in less than a year. Were you very close to either of them?

we spend days on end dwelling in the same residence without a single word exchanged. he thinks the only requirement for being a great dad is to finance your child, let them figure out the rest on their own.

Sometimes communication is difficult between parents and teens. You mentioned that all you want to talk about lately is the topics that we discuss on RF, and that you use your voice so seldom that talking feels very strange and awkward to you. Maybe it's not just your dad who is having a communication problem. Maybe you shouldn't assume that just because you two rarely talk, it's simply because your dad thinks "the only requirement for being a great dad is to finance his child."

Your dad is a human being too - and he's lost BOTH his parents in less than a year. Try to be a little more empathetic toward him. Regardless of whether or not he had a fabulous relationship with them, losing both of them in such a short space of time is emotionally difficult. My father went thru this very same thing a few years ago and it was VERY difficult for him.

my mom lives a 45 minute walk/5 minute drive away. They just don't have "room" for me in every sense of the word. i think we both drifted apart around christmas 2010 when my stepdad (apparently he can't stand a moderately messy teenager) told my mom it was either him or us.

Ah. The stepparent waters can be very difficult for ALL to navigate. Tension between a son and his mom's new husband is classic really. Once again, I know it's more natural for you to focus on your own feelings in this and not think much about your parents' feelings, but it may be helpful for you to try to understand your mom's feelings right now. You mention that you can be messy. It's human nature to minimize our own faults, or try to justify them. The point is that when someone lives in a home and is messy, it can really really be a source of contention. Throw in some anger at the situation, some rebelliousness, some jealousy, and two males' testosterone and you've got a powder keg of emotions.

Your mom is right in the middle, and that's a very, very difficult place to be. I know you may feel like she's chosen this man over you and that hurts. But were you abiding by the rules of the household? Keep in mind that your stepfather's feelings toward you aren't tempered by that unique love that a natural parent usually has - the type that breeds a lot of tolerance. To him, you may just be a gnarly, messy, rebellious teenager who is giving him hell. And he would be right if he pointed this out to your mom to justify his behavior toward you. Then she's caught in the middle, between her love for you, but the objective truth from him that is not tempered by a lot of affection. It's a rough spot to be in.

my dad was in New Hampshire so i spent christmas until New years with my girlfriend(at the time) and her family

You know what - that period of transition between child and adult can be so difficult. I clearly remember the first Christmas I spent apart from my parents - and the first time they went on their summer vacation - without me (I believe I was 17). Grrrrrrr!!!!

hehe no I'm a high school senior, going to the University of Maine at Orono to study philosophy and psychology. I'm going to be in the Outdoor Adventure dorm. so basically life gets awesome after i leave Boston.

So what sort of career do you plan to pursue?

I will be the only one investing in me. my dad makes around 100k a year after taxes but he would much rather buy property in new hampshire than invest in a "dead beat kid who is going to just drop out"

Are those his words, or do you base this on something else?

(even though entirely on my own i managed to get a 3.4 gpa, 14 college credits(about 4 college semester courses) from my ap tests, a 2060 sat score, and $10,000 in scholarships)

Wow, that's FANTASTIC! You're off to a great start!

So your parents don't plan on financing any part of your college education?

Here's my dilemma, ontop of not being me, i don't want the drugs or any help because my depression is what drives me to these extraordinary realms of thought. right now that is the most important thing to me, it makes me feel like I'm really awake and not just moving with the flow.

My point is this - I'm not sure you're clinically depressed -and neither are you, because you have not been diagnosed.

It sounds like a lot of really emotionally charged events have happened in your family's life recently. Like I said earlier, being sad can be an APPROPRIATE response to life's events sometimes. In other words, "depression" can be a completely normal, and HEALTHY state of mind at times.

Samaritans is a volunteer operated suicide hotline, as you might have seen earlier, my daddyo lost his bro to this kind-o stuff-o

It's very good of you to volunteer your time to help others.

I do have to wonder, though - why the flippant approach to your uncle's suicide and to your dad? Your style of speaking suddenly flipped when you mentioned your uncle's suicide. Think about it.

Sometimes I'm really crazy though like i can spend hours thinking.

That in itself doesn't sound crazy to me. I guess it depends on what you're thinking ABOUT. I mean, pondering the meaning of life is one thing - pondering carving up your neighbors with a chain saw is something completely different. What are you sitting around thinking about for hours on end?

i think my Acute ADD helps in a way, i can't stay focused on one thing but when it comes to life you don't have one thing to focus on, it's an emergence of everything, and sometimes i can think about everything at the same time. this is when reality starts to shake a bit. only because thinking about it long enough makes its validity questionable

You've had a lot of emotionally charged events happen in your young life recently. This sounds like it could be your mind trying to categorize and cope with a lot of emotional and philosophical information that has suddenly become very pertinent in your life.

haha no, I've gotten to the point where being around other people doesn't make me stop pondering my own imminent death and subsequent possible adventure into the unknown. in other words, people just aren't doing it for me anymore. i dont want human compassion, I'm hungry for some ponderous ideas.

Believe it or not, this thought process can be pretty common during periods of transition in our lives, especially if you are a deep thinker, which it sounds like you are. You are transitioning from child to adult.

Along that way, try to maintain some empathy and understanding for others. In other words, while you're trying to figure out the meaning of your own life, and your own feelings, don't forget that others have feelings too. Otherwise it's easy to drift into a very self centered mode of operating and that can really create a "jerk" state of mind.
 
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Pink Top Hat

Active Member
My name is Nick as you may have seen in my first post. I have all these crazy ideas and perspectives because i have quite literally been living in solitary confinement. It's hard to explain it in a way that doesn't sound trouble some. in the last 8-9 months i have only spoken about 10 hours worth of dialogue. (it gets really annoying when you do have to talk because you realize you haven't spoken so long that you can't control the volume of your own voice too well) I don't talk to anyone. and I'm in a constant state of depression. I like it though. It's a different kind of depression. It's as if I've lived in this state of sadness for so long that somehow it has turned into a sort of humble self apathy. I find that i have an increased intrinsic desire to do good things and be kind. and by self apathy i mean i can be kinder than anyone i know because i don't ever mind putting my body through the ringer. Strangely i find that it validates my existence.


Maybe you are American?

The best thing to do is to get out of your house and state and country and travel and see the world.
Go an volunteer not for the US military but to some refugee camp created by US military.

Go and see how poor homeless and hungry live. I mean real poor not American poor not being able to buy the latest i pod and are suicidal.

I mean starving poor.

It will put thing into perspective.

I find Americans use a lot of therapy when all they need to do is focus on others and not self.

Go out into the real world beyond Fox News and Reality TV shows and what The Kardashians are doing this week.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Maybe you are American?

The best thing to do is to get out of your house and state and country and travel and see the world.
Go an volunteer not for the US military but to some refugee camp created by US military.

Go and see how poor homeless and hungry live. I mean real poor not American poor not being able to buy the latest i pod and are suicidal.

I mean starving poor.

It will put thing into perspective.

I find Americans use a lot of therapy when all they need to do is focus on others and not self.

Go out into the real world beyond Fox News and Reality TV shows and what The Kardashians are doing this week.

I think you're perhaps NOT LISTENING to what BlackBear is sharing with us. I somehow don't think that Fox News, reality TV and the Kardashians have much to do with what he's experiencing.

Perhaps you are a bit too quick to judge someone simply because they are an American. I'm just sayin'.

He's obviously going through a lot emotionally right now - his entire family seems to be having a very emotional year. Don't minimize their suffering by assuming it's trite just because they live in the US.
 

BlackBear94

Hermit
So you've lost two grandparents in less than a year. Were you very close to either of them?
My Papa was a giant kid. we we're best buds.


Sometimes communication is difficult between parents and teens. You mentioned that all you want to talk about lately is the topics that we discuss on RF, and that you use your voice so seldom that talking feels very strange and awkward to you. Maybe it's not just your dad who is having a communication problem. Maybe you shouldn't assume that just because you two rarely talk, it's simply because your dad thinks "the only requirement for being a great dad is to finance his child."
No no. I probably forgot to clarify I stopped talking to my dad first. It was the right thing to do really.
The thing with my dad is that he gets very anxious in conversation. I never hear this from him, but when call my aunt she tells me that he talks to her about how he can't calm down in conversations, and how he thinks because he severely abused alcohol when he was in high school that he never socially matured to the point where you can have a serious conversation with him without him interrupting you and yelling at you whenever he gets a little anxious
Your dad is a human being too - and he's lost BOTH his parents in less than a year. Try to be a little more empathetic toward him. Regardless of whether or not he had a fabulous relationship with them, losing both of them in such a short space of time is emotionally difficult. My father went thru this very same thing a few years ago and it was VERY difficult for him.
no he got through it he's just stressed out because he has to deal with my grandpa's tangled financial mess
Ah. The stepparent waters can be very difficult for ALL to navigate. Tension between a son and his mom's new husband is classic really. Once again, I know it's more natural for you to focus on your own feelings in this and not think much about your parents' feelings, but it may be helpful for you to try to understand your mom's feelings right now. You mention that you can be messy. It's human nature to minimize our own faults, or try to justify them. The point is that when someone lives in a home and is messy, it can really really be a source of contention. Throw in some anger at the situation, some rebelliousness, some jealousy, and two males' testosterone and you've got a powder keg of emotions.
Trust me if I was minimizing anything I would be fully aware of what i was doing. and therefore my statement would have been a conscious lie. I have no reason to lie to strangers on the internet, i do enough of that to the people i know.

When i say moderate i mean moderate. Apparently my stepfather was raised by a stringent military dad in Brazil, i guess his dad would hit him whenever he made a mess. so now forty something years later, if I just got out of the shower and went into my room to change, and then left my room to go get a brush for my hair, my step dad would yell at me for leaving the towel i used to dry off on the otherwise clean floor for 2 minutes.
and it's not a "please pick that up" in a loud voice. it's a "what kinda ******* person leaves a towel on the floor?! what are you a ******* animal?" to the point where my understanding of his argument is "what kind of person isn't aware of everything they do at all times?"
Oh and another fun fact is that every other part of my moms house is a pig sty. Their dirty laundry forms a 4 foot tall mountain in front of the washing machine. and my little 5 year old sister draws on every wall in sight.

Your mom is right in the middle, and that's a very, very difficult place to be. I know you may feel like she's chosen this man over you and that hurts. But were you abiding by the rules of the household? Keep in mind that your stepfather's feelings toward you aren't tempered by that unique love that a natural parent usually has - the type that breeds a lot of tolerance. To him, you may just be a gnarly, messy, rebellious teenager who is giving him hell. And he would be right if he pointed this out to your mom to justify his behavior toward you. Then she's caught in the middle, between her love for you, but the objective truth from him that is not tempered by a lot of affection. It's a rough spot to be in.
No I am fully aware of her situation. At her age He is all that she's got in companion wise. and i understand that she made the rational decision. regardless of what she does i am still her child by blood. and i understand that my stepdad isn't as forever bound to her as her children are so she has to hold on to him tighter than she holds on to me and my brother.
I am simply saying that just because she chose the rational option doesn't make the consequences any more preferable.




So what sort of career do you plan to pursue?
I don't know. Something that will help other people figure out their own lives. so probably a clinical field.
Are those his words, or do you base this on something else?
No. like i said before he hasn't really matured in terms of his conversational tactics and his interpersonal abilities. If he thinks you are winning in an argument against him then he makes a very clear change of direction from attacking your idea/concept/decision to attacking you personally and making you feel like ****. basically if you can't ridicule the idea, ridicule the person with the idea until they doubt their own idea.
Wow, that's FANTASTIC! You're off to a great start!

So your parents don't plan on financing any part of your college education?
my mom makes like $30,000 and is on food stamps. My dad's fine financially he's just more or less on the fast track to retirement and he doesn't want me to mess that up for him.
It took me a while to realize that this isn't how parents are supposed to be.


My point is this - I'm not sure you're clinically depressed -and neither are you, because you have not been diagnosed.
I care very little whether or not I am Clinically depressed. or rather depressed by someone else's standards. I know i am depressed because I know one should not feel this sad and meaningless normally. oh well, Time spent happy is time wasted.

It sounds like a lot of really emotionally charged events have happened in your family's life recently. Like I said earlier, being sad can be an APPROPRIATE response to life's events sometimes. In other words, "depression" can be a completely normal, and HEALTHY state of mind at times.
Is feeling emotionally abandoned a normal response? i think not. My father only cares about me getting a cost efficient degree and making some dough. he never even wonders if i'm ok or cares about what kind of person I'm becoming.





It's very good of you to volunteer your time to help others.

I do have to wonder, though - why the flippant approach to your uncle's suicide and to your dad? Your style of speaking suddenly flipped when you mentioned your uncle's suicide. Think about it.
I'm very cynical about my uncle's suicide because it's one of those things where he did it to get back at my grandpa back when he was an alcoholic Korean war vet. and since it happened the approach to dealing with it has been the classic Irish "let's pretend this never happened or at least never talk about it again without excessive reluctance".




That in itself doesn't sound crazy to me. I guess it depends on what you're thinking ABOUT. I mean, pondering the meaning of life is one thing - pondering carving up your neighbors with a chain saw is something completely different. What are you sitting around thinking about for hours on end?
when you start thinking "OK. say god exists. and i know that god exists. then why would i feel bad about people dying? is murder really such a bad thing if the homicide victim gets a sweet mansion in the sky? why should i cry at funerals? that's like crying when your child goes of to camp for the summer(i understand some people actually do) you're gonna seem them again." see what i mean?

And other stuff that just starts sounding funny like "ok. there's an afterlife, if i stick to this road i'll get there. then what? I'll "live" forever. What the **** am i going to do for forever?! after a few hundred years i'm going to get soooooooo bored!"


You've had a lot of emotionally charged events happen in your young life recently. This sounds like it could be your mind trying to categorize and cope with a lot of emotional and philosophical information that has suddenly become very pertinent in your life.
I think it's because I find all these "emotionally charged" events to be pointless, so my mind looks for more interesting topics to think about. I know it sounds cold but things like death just don't scare me as much as it does to the vast majority of others. The point of life (if there is one which is arguable) isn't to cling on to it and try to last as long as you can. It's to make the most out of the tools you are given from the start. so what if we die? that's what makes it all worth a damn.

Along that way, try to maintain some empathy and understanding for others. In other words, while you're trying to figure out the meaning of your own life, and your own feelings, don't forget that others have feelings too. Otherwise it's easy to drift into a very self centered mode of operating and that can really create a "jerk" state of mind.
I can empathize fine, i just don't have anymore sympathy for people. "I understand how hard it must feel to lose both parents in a year, but you can't use that as a justification for your half *** approach towards parenting which you've been utilizing for nearly 18 years now" see my point?
 
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I think you're perhaps NOT LISTENING to what BlackBear is sharing with us. I somehow don't think that Fox News, reality TV and the Kardashians have much to do with what he's experiencing.

Perhaps you are a bit too quick to judge someone simply because they are an American. I'm just sayin'.

He's obviously going through a lot emotionally right now - his entire family seems to be having a very emotional year. Don't minimize their suffering by assuming it's trite just because they live in the US.

Different people see things in different ways.
Sitting here talking is not going to solve problems.

Going out and doing something for someone else is good.
It's takes the focus of the person themself and onto others more in need.

Oh I'm too fat....oh I'm too thin......oh my hairs a mess today and I cant go out the door.............my life is over because my ipod is broken or my mobile fell into the toilet......

You can bet that 3 months in a refugee camp would put many peoples 'problems' into perspective. Just being realistic after watching too much US TV and my brain becoming numb with every sentence dotted with the word 'like'. I notice the British are doing that crazy thing too now:confused:
 
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