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Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims Take the Same Attitude Towards Deity?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Are there any clear differences of kind or degree between the attitude that Jews, Christians, and Muslims characteristically take towards deity?

To clarify, people sometimes ask if Jews, Christians, and Muslims define deity in precisely the same way. Here, I am asking if Jews, Christians, and Muslims take the same attitude towards deity? That's to say, please be careful not to mistake my question for a question about how the three groups define deity.

For instance, it can perhaps be said that each religion differs at least somewhat in how it uses humor in relating to deity.

Accordingly, Jewish humor loves poking fun at God. Examples of such humor might be Teyve's jokes in Fiddler on the Roof. e.g. “I know, I know. We are Your chosen people. But, once in a while, can't You choose someone else?” Or, "“It may sound like I'm complaining, but I'm not. After all, with Your help, I'm starving to death.” For Teyve, God appears to be a best friend, albeit an imperfect best friend.

In comparison, Christian humor seems to more often focus on poking fun at Christians than at God. Here is perhaps the single most famous example of Christian humor (a joke written decades ago by Emo Philips):

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.​

As for Islam, Wikipedia tells us that, "For humor to be in accordance with Islam, the joke should not be blasphemous and should be within the limits of adab (manners)."

Perhaps, then, a comparison of humor characteristic to each religion might reveal differences in the attitudes of worshipers to deity. But if so, what other important differences are there?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I don't know enough about Judaism to give my thoughts on how they view God, so I won't attempt it. But Christians as a whole have a far greater sense of closeness with God than Muslims do; for Christians, God is our Father. The Trinity is a communion of Persons dwelling together in love and unity, and we Christians are called to enter into that communion and to share in God's life. This is our original vocation from before the Fall, and we will fulfill it by the grace of Christ in the Holy Spirit. God helps us along our journey and walks the journey with us.

Islam, by contrast, defines relationship to God in terms of master and servant/slave; I don't think any Muslim would ever dare to call God "father" as we do in Christianity. The love of God in Islam is very different from the love of God as expressed in Christianity. In Islam, God loves Muslims the same way He loves faith and good deeds; it's a fondness, but it's not a familial or personal love. In Islam, God doesn't walk the journey with us, but points us along the way.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
There's always this one;
A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.

Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, "Jump in, I can save you."

The stranded fellow shouted back, "No, it's OK, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me."

So the rowboat went on.

Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, "Jump in, I can save you."

To this the stranded man said, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the motorboat went on.

Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, "Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety."

To this the stranded man again replied, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.

Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, "I had faith in you but you didn't save me, you let me drown. I don't understand why!"

To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I don't know enough about Judaism to give my thoughts on how they view God, so I won't attempt it. But Christians as a whole have a far greater sense of closeness with God than Muslims do; for Christians, God is our Father. The Trinity is a communion of Persons dwelling together in love and unity, and we Christians are called to enter into that communion and to share in God's life. This is our original vocation from before the Fall, and we will fulfill it by the grace of Christ in the Holy Spirit. God helps us along our journey and walks the journey with us.

Islam, by contrast, defines relationship to God in terms of master and servant/slave; I don't think any Muslim would ever dare to call God "father" as we do in Christianity. The love of God in Islam is very different from the love of God as expressed in Christianity. In Islam, God loves Muslims the same way He loves faith and good deeds; it's a fondness, but it's not a familial or personal love. In Islam, God doesn't walk the journey with us, but points us along the way.
Imo, it is individual. I think that bicameral - introspective mind theory makes sense.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Are there any clear differences of kind or degree between the attitude that Jews, Christians, and Muslims characteristically take towards deity?
In terms of basic ideology, Christians would be seeking and relating to "God within". Where as the Jew and Muslims would not. Which one would presume to be a significant difference in attitude toward God. That is, looking for God within one's own heart and mind, so as to better manifest His divine spirit, and looking for God within one's fellow humans, so as to show one's love and respect in a real sense, rather than an abstract religious ideological sense.

Does this actually happen among Christians, though? That's a question for another thread.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Protestants surely love God in a more passionate way...like in a close relationship.
Catholics think of God as a more distant entity Who donated us free will.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I would not draw hard and fast distinction. This tale which I particularly like illustrates a similar attitude that Tevya had:

As the hagiographic accounts relate, as St. Teresa (1515–1582) also called St. Teresa of Jesus, made her way to her convent during a fierce rainstorm, she slipped down an embankment and fell squarely into the mud. The irrepressible nun looked up to heaven and admonished her Maker, "If this is how You treat Your friends, no wonder why You have so few of them!" Only a true friend of God could speak with such familiarity and temerity.

The story has many different versions including this one:

On one occasion Teresa complained to God about her mistreatment from so many different people. God replied to her saying “That is how I always treat my friends.” With good humour, St Teresa replied, “That must be why You have so few friends!”

So I personally take it as something that she actually said that has mutated into various versions.
 

Wasp

Active Member
It depends on the individuals.

My immediate thought was that Christians out of the three, according to the impression I have, assume God to be much more "forgiving" than Muslims and Jews do.
But Christians as a whole have a far greater sense of closeness with God than Muslims do;
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In Islam, God loves Muslims the same way He loves faith and good deeds; it's a fondness, but it's not a familial or personal love. In Islam, God doesn't walk the journey with us, but points us along the way.
I disagree, disagree and disagree.
 

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
Although this may seem or actually be off-topic, there's a mystery which ... mystifies me.

  • By all accounts that I have read here in RF, atheists and a good many, if not all, agnostics reject the notion that any god exists, and claim/argue that anyone's belief in a god or gods is the consequence of delusional thinking.
  • So, up and comes an atheist who says: "a Muslim worships the same abrahamic god as hebrews and christians".
  • And I said: No we don't.
  • Then the atheist got huffy, claiming "several Muslim friends" as the authority for the statement which I rejected.
  • It so happens that a Muslim had previously made a similar claim to me to which I responded something like this:
    • Do you think Yhwh agrees that Muhammed got the Qur'an from Him through the Angel Gabriel and that Allah agrees that the Jews got their Scriptures and the Christians got their Scriptures from Him also?
  • The mystery that mystifies me is this: Since when does an atheist get a vote on the matter? and why would he/she care enough about the matter to get huffy when I say Yhwh and Allah are not the same god?

There, ... I vented and now I feel better.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Judaism has some things in common with Christianity and Islam, and some things different. For example, we experience God as Father and King, for something we have in common.

But one of the things that would be considered unique to Judaism is that Jews argue with God. Our Patriarch Abraham argued with God: when God was going to punish Sodom and Gemorrah, Abraham bartered with God to saved it all they way down to if it had only 10 righteous people. Moses argued with God too. Jacob himself "wrestled with God" via an angel for a blessing. He was given the new name of Israel, which means One Who Contends With God. God actually invites this of us. In Isaiah 1:18, God says, "Come, let us reason together."
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Judaism and Islam are far closer to each other than Christianity is to either. Christianity anthropomorphizes God to the point of making him a human and dividing him into 3 persons. Islam's traditional objections to referring to God as a father are probably due to its polematical stance against Christian trinitarianism, which is understandable. It is permitted for Muslims to view God as father metaphorically. The mystical branches of both Judaism and Islam tend to view God in the much same way that Hindus do - as the Source and Ultimate Reality (Brahman).
 
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