Skwim
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Don't you mean "Like every atheist, except for perhaps one, they refuse to pledge allegiance to the flag"?
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Do Members of Jehovah's Witness Celebrate the US Independence Day?
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Don't you mean "Like every atheist, except for perhaps one, they refuse to pledge allegiance to the flag"?
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Spiderman
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Jehovah's witnesses are fine to do as they please.
Live a simple, humble, modest, devout, countercultural life, without holidays, if that's what floats your boat! I'm totally cool with that!
They start buggingg the **** out of me though, when they get all self-righteous, proud, and judgemental, (like the pharisees and saducees)and think their little man-made sect, (which wasn't invented till the 19th century), has the fullness of truth, and billions of others adhere to a Satanic, Idolatrous, "Whore of Babylon" system of religion.
What a depressing load of terrible, disgusting, toxic news, to make a depressed miserable world more miserable! Way to spread more heartache!
And show everyone God failed to guide and shepherd his flock! Epic fail! 
Hence, God can't be trusted! Because nearly every one lives in confusion and heresy. So, let's earn salvation going door to door and poisoning the world with bad depressing news!
Not to mention, pride comes before the fall!
Live a simple, humble, modest, devout, countercultural life, without holidays, if that's what floats your boat! I'm totally cool with that!
They start buggingg the **** out of me though, when they get all self-righteous, proud, and judgemental, (like the pharisees and saducees)and think their little man-made sect, (which wasn't invented till the 19th century), has the fullness of truth, and billions of others adhere to a Satanic, Idolatrous, "Whore of Babylon" system of religion.
What a depressing load of terrible, disgusting, toxic news, to make a depressed miserable world more miserable! Way to spread more heartache!
And show everyone God failed to guide and shepherd his flock! Epic fail! Hence, God can't be trusted! Because nearly every one lives in confusion and heresy. So, let's earn salvation going door to door and poisoning the world with bad depressing news! Not to mention, pride comes before the fall!
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Earthling
David Henson
I think there were, like, 32.
Earthling
David Henson
siti
Well-Known Member
No, no, no...Mr @RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha made a preposterous remark about Americans being arrogant (which misunderstanding I presume stems from him being from Earth and not America), which he then clarified by explaining the he meant "Americans are arrogant, not atheists" - I was simply wondering whether he felt Americans got to choose whether to be arrogant or atheist - and, moreover, why (in Mr R's view) he felt that most if not all of them had opted for the former.
It was in fact intended to be a humorous remark - perhaps a little facetious or sarcastic - but they don't work so well when you have to explain them. Perhaps next time?
Just a double entendre of the ambiguous nature of remark.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Yes, there is much to admire about the JW.
Audie
Veteran Member
And a lot that is atrocious.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sadly I misread his post. At the time I could have sworn it said "atheist", not "American" .
Audie
Veteran Member
There is a "delete" function
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I don't tend to delete my errors. I own up to them when I make them.
Audie
Veteran Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I understand that. For myself I feel I would not be honest it I erased my mistakes. I feel it is better to fess up.
Yes funny how christians are always willing to pick up a gun and kill for a piece of land
Oh right, jws are christians. Interesting paradox eh?
Probably more but just like prison, there are less atheists than christians per capita.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Witnesses pay taxes because Jesus said to, not to support their nation. The witnesses fearless leaders don't pay taxes!
How do you love your enemies Deeje? By kicking your child to the curb if he/she won't accept what you believe?
Most witnesses don't "celebrate" the memorial they go to WATCH the select few celebrate it.
Only the gb is a "footstep follower of Christ" the "great crowd" or, the rank and file witness, are "footstep followers" of the gb, not Christ!
*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 13 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
Just as the anointed Christians follow Jesus no matter where he goes, the great crowd ‘goes with,’ or accompanies, the faithful and discreet slave
The gb follows Christ, the rank and file just "accompanies" them!
Was Jesus proud and judgmental when exposing the Pharisees as unholy hypocrites in his day? Was exposing their error something he enjoyed?...or was it something he had to do to free the lost sheep from their despair and give them hope?
The Hebrew expression "am ha-arets" (which the Pharisees applied to those they considered to be a lost cause) means “people of the earth.” These people were treated like dirt under the feet of the Pharisees, and the Sadducees had nothing to do with them, because they looked down on everyone.
The am ha-arets were poor laborers who did not know the Law or the traditions or did not keep them. They did not recite the formal prayers, have ritual fringes on their garments or wear phylacteries at devotions, nor did they train their sons in the traditions as did the scrupulous Jews. They were hated and outlawed from the community by the rabbis.
When the religious leaders objected to Jesus’ associating with sinners, they doubtless included these people. Yet Jesus was not sent to the Pharisees, but to these "lost sheep of the house of Israel".
According to Daniel, In the "time of the end" God was going to have an "abundance of knowledge" made available in order to "cleanse, whiten and refine" his people. Why would they need cleansing and refining unless they had become "unclean" in God's eyes? He said that only those who accepted this cleansing would be given insight and understanding......but the wicked would understand nothing, continuing on in their wicked ways. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10)
We are living in "the time of the end", so now is when the separation of the wheat from the weeds was to take place. There is now a clear difference. JW's have completely separated themselves from worship that was corrupted centuries ago. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
What a depressing load of terrible, disgusting, toxic news, to make a depressed miserable world more miserable! Way to spread more heartache!
How many in Jesus' day listened to him and became his disciples? Very few because the majority were influenced by their religious leaders to see Jesus as a worthless fake Messiah who got his power from the devil.
If all you hear is bad news then you haven't been listening.
The good news of the kingdom is what has been preached worldwide now for over 100 years, bringing hope to people who were written off in Christendom as candidates for eternal punishment in a hell of torment forever. So are you saying that JW's dished out that kind of bad news to people who had lost hope? I can assure you that these people responded to the good news that God had not forgotten them or that he had written them off. He showed them the way back to true worship, just as Jesus had done with the "lost sheep" in the first century.
But this gift was not without requirements. It meant embarking on a new path.....a difficult one. (Matthew 7:13-14) Salvation can't be "earned" by any works, but it is not unconditional either.
Not to mention, pride comes before the fall!
Only pride could make a person criticise God and his word. How do you get your nose out of joint by disagreeing with the way God has dealt with the issue of disobedient humanity? Could we ever know better than our Creator? How arrogant! Putting yourself in a position to judge God....now that is the sort of pride that comes before a fall.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I don't judge God unless something goes against my conscience. Absolutely, if someone is killing people for practically nothing, it is noble to object. It isn't pride, its compassion.
I have my doubts that God ever wanted people to be killed for working on Sabbath, and I doubt my God is the Baby killer that the Bible says he is.
Also, Jesus says " I was hungry and you gave me to eat thirsty and you gave me to drink, sick and you cared for me....what you did for the least of my people, you did for me, come inherit your reward."
The Catholic Church has done more to care for the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the needy, shelter the homeless, and educate people. Most of the Catholic priests i met were kind, charitable, meek, humble, Christ-like people.
A priest is no more likely to be a pedophile than other men, and pedophiles make up 1% to 2% of Catholic Priests.
They are usually nothing like the Pharisees and Saducees you and so many JW's make them out to be.
Why do you think that the man collecting firewood on the Sabbath was put to death? It wasn't for picking up firewood...it was for treating God's laws like they somehow didn't apply to him. If he had not been punished so severely for what to us might seem to be a minor offense, then what was to stop others from taking that to mean that they could do that too.....gradually applying it to all of God's laws? Look at the world and see what happens when God's laws are treated as though they don't matter.
Calling God a "baby killer"? You don't think that is disrespectful?
If you read that whole passage in context, you will realise that the good deeds were done, not to mankind in general, but to a specific group....Christ's "brothers". Identify who Christ's brothers are and you will see that this isn't talking about charities. It is talking about supporting those who support Christ...those whom he counts as his "brothers"....not just the poor unfortunate ones.
We can all be "Good Samaritans" to them.
No one is saying that Catholic people are not the doers of good deeds towards the less fortunate, and I have met and know some very nice Catholic people....but are they obeying the "Lord" they claim to serve?
In times of war when they should have been admonishing their flocks to avoid bloodshed, the clergy were being friends with the world (James 4:4) and supporting the wars of their nations. Catholic was killing Catholic and Protestants were killing Protestants.....nationality dictated their Christianity.
In Israel, when God's people engaged in warfare that did not have his sanction, he said that the blood on their hands prevented God from hearing their prayers. (Isaiah 1:15)
I believe that there is a reason why the RCC became a haven for pedophiles and homosexuals......it was because of easy access to children, easy sexual relationships with other homosexuals, and no fear of prosecution.
This abuse has been going on in Catholic institutions likely for centuries. Physical abuse was also common....even from the nuns.
Buggery was practiced even in early civilizations, and was not seen as anything out of the ordinary. Even in later centuries, in male only universities it was routinely and often openly practiced.
The Pharisees could not be corrected because their power had so deeply corrupted them that they were beyond redemption. I believe that the church shows the same reticence in changing their ways. When shown what the Bible says on these matters, they don't want to change.
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