Do Muslims really want to take over?

[Caladan]

My question is two-fold: how many Muslims have knocked on your door and asked you if you've accepted Muhammad in your life? How many pamphlets have muslims handed you either on your doorstep or on the streets of any downtown? How many Muslims have approached you in public and asked you if you've been saved? How many Muslim missionaries have gone into Christian countries to help out while spreading the message?

It happened to me when I was working in London, Muslims told me why I should convert to Islam, on line it happens quite a lot as well.

 

[Autodidact]

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.

My question is two-fold: how many Muslims have knocked on your door and asked you if you've accepted Muhammad in your life? How many pamphlets have muslims handed you either on your doorstep or on the streets of any downtown? How many Muslims have approached you in public and asked you if you've been saved? How many Muslim missionaries have gone into Christian countries to help out while spreading the message?

Now ask yourselves the same question substituting various sects of Christianity and see who wants to rule. Muslims are doing a pretty shabby job of dominating compared to the Christians...

Before you start in with radical Islam, terrorist activity, and conquests thousands of years ago...terrorist attacks are not trying to convert anyone; those are completely asinine acts that are not on topic here. I'm talking about peaceful missionary/dawah issues that both religions practice.

So just to be clear, you want to know whether we think any Muslims are trying to take over anything, but don't want to hear about the actions they are taking to do that?

Hey, just because they're failing, doesn't mean they're not trying.

 

[Autodidact]

radical Islam worries the living hell out of me too, and i don't say "they're not Muslims", but i will say that they have warped the message to suit their needs. they do need to be eradicated, because once they feel they are so desperate, they also feel they have nothing to lose...and that scares me to death too.

again, i am not talking about the radicals who murder people...clearly they are not for conversion and conquer; they are out for their twisted form of revenge or a warped sense of supremacy. surely you can't convert those you kill.

Actually, I think conversion and conquer is exactly what they're out for.

 

[Autodidact]

What does dawah mean to you?

 

[Wotan]

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.
. . . .
I'm talking about peaceful missionary/dawah issues that both religions practice.

Honey, we can only go by what your leaders say, what your "holy" book says and what you guys actually DID and DO.

Based on all the available evidence it is clear to some of us that a seizable portion of believers in your myth do indeed hope expect and are looking forward to a time when your myth is the ONLY religion followed by humans beings ANYWHERE.

Exactly how long that will take and what methods are to be employed is open to some debate. But the ultimate goal is a one world religion - Islam- universally followed by all. And so followed either by conviction or rational self interest, as in 'at least pretend to believe or lose your head.'

Jus callin em like I sees em Hon.

 

[beenie]

What does dawah mean to you?

dawah is, in general, spreading the message of Islam. however, we are not directed to "preach", but rather to educate through example. i personally hate being preached or lectured to. i'm quite certain others have a much different definition of what dawah means to them, but that's how i've learned about it. quite frankly, Muslims themselves need more dawah than others. IMO

Actually, I think conversion and conquer is exactly what they're out for.

no one i know feels that way in the least; i know i don't.

Honey, we can only go by what your leaders say, what your "holy" book says and what you guys actually DID and DO.

Based on all the available evidence it is clear to some of us that a seizable portion of believers in your myth do indeed hope expect and are looking forward to a time when your myth is the ONLY religion followed by humans beings ANYWHERE.

Exactly how long that will take and what methods are to be employed is open to some debate. But the ultimate goal is a one world religion - Islam- universally followed by all. And so followed either by conviction or rational self interest, as in 'at least pretend to believe or lose your head.'

Jus callin em like I sees em Hon.

So just to be clear, you want to know whether we think any Muslims are trying to take over anything, but don't want to hear about the actions they are taking to do that?

Hey, just because they're failing, doesn't mean they're not trying.

the violent acts committed are certainly not an attempt to convert anyone. i believe that just like any other faith, there are those that do feel that Islam should be everywhere, but i know for a fact most don't.

 

[Autodidact]

Dawah in America:

41:33 Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who bow in Islam"?

Islam in its truest form as ordained in the Qur’an and Sunnah is perhaps never brought before the traditional Muslims. They recite Kalimah but unfortunately don’t understand what it demands from them. The mission of Prophet Muhammad (S) and how he accomplished it always remains obscured from them. The revolutionary aspect of Kalimah is never taught to them. They do not care to learn and understand Islam as the only way of life for mankind till doomsday and the Qur’an is the only book of Guidance from Allah (SWT) to follow in its entirety till eternity. They are never told or taught that they are the “salt of the earth”; they are the “Best of the Nations” and have been raised as “Ummatun Wasata” [the Balanced Nation] on earth...Equally they are never told, taught or reminded that their mission on this earth is to free the humans from the slavery of man and bring them back to the obedience of their Creator Allah (SWT). They know little about that the assignment from their beloved Prophet Muhammad (S) is to carry out his (S) mission of Dawah Ilallah [calling the people to the fold of their Creator and Sustainer] to every nook and every corner of the world. The mission of their life is to get the Deen of Allah introduced and spread on this earth. The culminating point of their mission is to get the “Kingdom of God” established on this earth.

 

[painted wolf]

They are meant to convert the believer to the ideology. Martyrs are never for the unbeliever.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Islam tomorrow:

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Keep in mind at all times that you are on a special mission to deliver a message of inviting people to worship Allah according to the way that He wants to be worshipped. You are to call them to know the truth and how to follow it. You do this with both your kind words and correct actions.

IslamHerald:

An important matter for Muslims to realize is that da`wah is an obligation upon them. Allah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur'aan:
"Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided." [al-Qur'aan, an-Nisaa'(16):125]

 

[Eliot Wild]

Do Muslims really want to take over?

No, of course not. Muslims do not want to take over. However . . .

I want to take over the world. I want everyone to think and act like me. I want everyone to wear the same kind of clothes I wear and cut their hair like me. I want everyone to eat the same kinds of foods I eat and read the same books. I want everyone to listen to 'my' music and essentially do whatever I tell 'em to do.

It would be cool if all you people worship me too. Exxxxxxxxxxxx-cellent!!!!

 

[Badran]

Based on all the available evidence it is clear to some of us that a seizable portion of believers in your myth do indeed hope expect and are looking forward to a time when your myth is the ONLY religion followed by humans beings ANYWHERE.

Thats not what she asked, she was talking about muslims in general. If you look at it in the form of some muslims, a minority only that posses this mentality, then thats okay and true. However, if you think thats part of our religion, or part of the aspirations of all or most muslims, then that is the mentality that this thread aims towards as i understand.

 

[Smoke]

I want to take over the world. I want everyone to think and act like me. I want everyone to wear the same kind of clothes I wear and cut their hair like me. I want everyone to eat the same kinds of foods I eat and read the same books. I want everyone to listen to 'my' music and essentially do whatever I tell 'em to do.

It would be cool if all you people worship me too. Exxxxxxxxxxxx-cellent!!!!

After I get to be just like you, I expect them to worship me.

 

[Shredmeister]

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.

My question is two-fold: how many Muslims have knocked on your door and asked you if you've accepted Muhammad in your life? How many pamphlets have muslims handed you either on your doorstep or on the streets of any downtown? How many Muslims have approached you in public and asked you if you've been saved? How many Muslim missionaries have gone into Christian countries to help out while spreading the message?

Now ask yourselves the same question substituting various sects of Christianity and see who wants to rule. Muslims are doing a pretty shabby job of dominating compared to the Christians...

Before you start in with radical Islam, terrorist activity, and conquests thousands of years ago...terrorist attacks are not trying to convert anyone; those are completely asinine acts that are not on topic here. I'm talking about peaceful missionary/dawah issues that both religions practice.

I can't say the taliban has knocked on my door selling peanut brittle, and if they did I would bet my last dime there would be more peanuts in it than what i bought from the baptist kids last time. I swear they barely sprinkled some broken up sesame seeds in it.

 

[Alceste]

OK, I tend to stay out of the Islam/ Middle-Eastern politics threads, because no one ever listens and they all turn into flame wars. Hopefully, this one will be better.

Anyway, I don't conflate "radical Islam" with Islam as a whole, but that's not to say it doesn't worry me.

One thing I've observed on this forum is that many of our Muslim members seem to be more concerned with defending the faith than denouncing those who pervert it. A common tactic is "they're not really Muslim." To outsiders, this comes off as hiding your heads in the sand, and THAT worries me, too. If the Islamic community won't rid itself of these rabid murderers, what are their targets (Westerners) to do? We CAN'T reform, only attack.

As for your comparison... Christian proselytizers may be significantly more numerous (and annoying), but they're not out killing thousands of people. Still, I laughed.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think the US army is made up of? Spartans?

 

[Shredmeister]

Are you kidding me? Who do you think the US army is made up of? Spartans?

It's made up of primarily Christians, yeah. They signed up. They follow orders. But your point is well-taken. Bush was an extremist, and extremists should be avoided when putting someone in charge of the military.

 

[Alceste]

It's made up of primarily Christians, yeah. They signed up. They follow orders. But your point is well-taken. Bush was an extremist, and extremists should be avoided when putting someone in charge of the military.

I agree. It's important for the West to keep in mind that the lunatics who started both these wars - Bush and Blair - are devout Christians who acted on what they believed were orders from their God (who is conveniently interchangeable with the Invisible Hand of the Free Market). The result? Over a million civilian deaths, most of them Muslims.

 

[Alceste]

Wow, if you think Christianity is trying to take over the world then you can be included in the radical Islam section.

Trust me we Christians don't want to rule the world that makes it political and the true gospel won't be able to shine then.

Not been reading the news for the last twenty years then, I see.

 

[beenie]

Thats not what she asked, she was talking about muslims in general. If you look at it in the form of some muslims, a minority only that posses this mentality, then thats okay and true. However, if you think thats part of our religion, or part of the aspirations of all or most muslims, then that is the mentality that this thread aims towards as i understand.

you understand it correctly.

 

[nameless]

during exam days, i used to stay at muslim hostel ( a house taken for rent by a gang of muslim students) for combined study for my close friend is there. They gave me so much care which i never received anywhere . Whenever involved in usual talk, they somehow brings religion(islam) into it, and later turns to debate(friendly) which would last long hours. Me alone as non-muslim and some 6-8 muslims to debate with me . After those failed attempts, they did not cared me as before.