Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
If your searching for intent, I am curious if Jesus name upsets folks and I am starting to believe it is a subject Pagan's avoid.
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If your searching for intent, I am curious if Jesus name upsets folks and I am starting to believe it is a subject Pagan's avoid.
What? I layed my cards on the table and was asked to stay on topic. I have tried real hard to get back on topic. Either you will tell me or you won't. The more I pry, the more I approach the thin line of debating and discussing.
I seriously don't want to debate and I am genuinely interested in what you believe about Jesus. If your searching for intent, I am curious if Jesus name upsets folks and I am starting to believe it is a subject Pagan's avoid. Myself, I never had a problem talking about Jesus even when I was a Pagan.
I seriously don't want to debate and I am genuinely interested in what you believe about Jesus. If your searching for intent, I am curious if Jesus name upsets folks and I am starting to believe it is a subject Pagan's avoid.
I seriously don't want to debate and I am genuinely interested in what you believe about Jesus. If your searching for intent, I am curious if Jesus name upsets folks and I am starting to believe it is a subject Pagan's avoid. Myself, I never had a problem talking about Jesus even when I was a Pagan.
Paganism is really too diverse for there to be any central tenets common to all pagan faiths, except perhaps earth-centered worship.What are the tenets of the Pagan faith?
I think each individual pagan would answer this question differently. I can only speak for myself; when I was pagan, I believed Jesus had once existed, but I did not believe he was the Son of God anymore than the rest of us are, and I did not believe he performed miracles.Did Jesus ever exist on this planet? I realize Pagans don't recognize Jesus as Lord or worship him, but did a man named Jesus walk the earth? Did he perform miracles?
Well... the Kabbalistic movement didn't really begin until the 12th to 13th centuries... 70 CE after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem at the very earliest. Before that there were a couple main forms of Jewish mysticism (one centering around Ezekiel's vision of Yahweh on his chariot and the other focusing on cosmology and particularly the sefirot) which are viewed as the precursors of Kabbalah. It is possible Jesus may have focused on one of these two earlier forms of mysticism, but he was too early for Kabbalah itself.It is written that he amazed the Rabbi's in the temple when he was 12 years old. Could Jesus have used the Qabalah, (ancient mysticism) to perform these miracles?
The original Kabbalistic practices were mystical rather than magical in nature. They seeked to connect the mystic to Yahweh through meditations upon (and permeations of) the sefirot and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. The ultimate goal was to see Yahweh upon his throne. It was only later that Kabbalistic practices took on a more magickal emphasis. It is possible, I suppose, that miracles akin to those supposedly performed by Jesus could be enacted, but I highly doubt it personally.Could modern day people who study the Kabalah and perform magick be using the same techniques that Jesus did when he performed miracles?
Do Pagans believe that Jesus ever existed?
Thank you. That was the answer I was looking for.Paganism is really too diverse for there to be any central tenets common to all pagan faiths, except perhaps earth-centered worship.
I would say you held the majority opinion among Pagans. I can respect that.I can only speak for myself; when I was pagan, I believed Jesus had once existed, but I did not believe he was the Son of God anymore than the rest of us are, and I did not believe he performed miracles.
Excellent answer. We are on the same page.Well... the Kabbalistic movement didn't really begin until the 12th to 13th centuries... 70 CE after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem at the very earliest. Before that there were a couple main forms of Jewish mysticism (one centering around Ezekiel's vision of Yahweh on his chariot and the other focusing on cosmology and particularly the sefirot) which are viewed as the precursors of Kabbalah.
It is possible Jesus may have focused on one of these two earlier forms of mysticism, but he was too early for Kabbalah itself.
Balance would be the key. For someone to come down from kether, it would take perfection. I understand your doubt, but really appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. I'm not saying this is what happened either, but find the possibility fascinating.The original Kabbalistic practices were mystical rather than magical in nature. They seeked to connect the mystic to Yahweh through meditations upon (and permeations of) the sefirot and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. The ultimate goal was to see Yahweh upon his throne. It was only later that Kabbalistic practices took on a more magickal emphasis. It is possible, I suppose, that miracles akin to those supposedly performed by Jesus could be enacted, but I highly doubt it personally.