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Do plants have souls?

Witch9

Member
. . . plants are not sentient beings . . .

Many years ago a Canadian Broadcasting Corp documentary addressed the issue of whether 'plants' can show emotion, or even communicate.

One of the studies they cited involved trees that can generate changes in their biochemistry to repel parasites and fight disease. The scientists introduced a parasite at one edge of the forested area they were observing and found that trees on the other side began initiating their defences before the parasites arrived in their area.

Does the ability to recognize threats, mobilize reactions, and warn your fellow-entities (an act of service?) speak to the question of souls, consciousness, sentience and related issues?


I think it depends upon how you, individually, define those words and concepts. Personally, I like the philosophy that the Cosmos is a single living entity; we are just individual parts of that entity, like single cells in the greater body. Some of the definitions of concepts like soul and consciousness are human-created attempts to persuade ourselves of our self-assumed superiority, like the cells in the left thumb trying to prove they are better than the cells in the right kneecap.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok, I'll start. I believe so and there are other groups out there who also think so.
Sufi's are sometimes mentioned as having thoughts/concepts that are quite Dharmic in nature. The 13th century poet Rumi wrote:
I died as mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was man.
Why should I fear?When was I less by dying?
This shows reincarnation as a progressive activity, yet the thought remains.
There is an ancient Irish poet Amergin (as a people that also spring from the pro-indo-european peoples and the foundations of their religious ideas I thought mentioning them would not be amiss) who is accredited with the Song of Amergin.
(There a a few version out there I am posting a short one here.)
I am the wind on the sea
I am the stormy wave
I am the sound of the ocean
I am the bull with seven horns
I am the hawk on the cliff face
I am the sun's tear
I am the beautiful flower
I am the boar on the rampage
I am the salmon in the pool
I am the lake on the plain
I am the defiant word
I am the spear charging into battle
I am the god who put fire in your head
Some view this as an invocation of all the things around the singer of this song, while others see it as an acknowledgment of the connection between all things. And others tie it to further mysteries of reincarnation.

In the Sri Guru Granth Sahib on page 156 Gauree Chaytee, First Mehl:
ਕੇਤੇ ਰੁਖ ਬਿਰਖ ਹਮ ਚੀਨੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਪਸੂ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Keṯe rukẖ birakẖ ham cẖīne keṯe pasū upā▫e.
I took the form of so many plants and trees, and so many animals.

ਕੇਤੇ ਨਾਗ ਕੁਲੀ ਮਹਿ ਆਏ ਕੇਤੇ ਪੰਖ ਉਡਾਏ ॥੨॥
Keṯe nāg kulī mėh ā▫e keṯe pankẖ udā▫e. ||2||
Many times I entered the families of snakes and flying birds. ||2||

Just thought I would share.

I think it'd go to Plant to Insect then Insect to Animal
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
LDS doctrine would say "yes," but that a plant spirit is not the same thing as an animal sprit or a human spirit. But the spirit is a life force and anything living has a spirit. (I'm using the word "spirit" pretty much as the OP used the word "soul," by the way.)
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
A plant has a soul just as much as animals (including us), bacteria, fungi, molecules, atoms, quarks, and strings have souls.
 

AcidPancake

New Member
"Backster tried burning the leaf of a plant...The plant registered the same increased-stress polygraph response as a human would if his hand had been burned. Backster had burned the leaf of a neighboring plant not connected to the equipment...The original plant, still hooked up to the polygraph, again registered the pain response that it had when its own leaves had been burned. This suggested that the plant had received the information via some extrasensory mechanism and was demonstrating empathy."" p144 The Field, by L. McTaggart

Also another amazing book about plant consciousness is The Secret Life of Plants by P.Thomkins and C. Byrd (1900)

In my own personal experiences with enthogenic substances, I have seen and felt energy and emotion from plants. Mostly happiness in those states. I still I pick up on it subtly and I often thank the plant for existing before eating it. I can sense the plant feels proud and well groomed when I trim off the dead parts. So in my opinion, yes, they do have souls and feelings and consciousness. It is electricity in our brains that give us consciousness. Plants have an electrical current too.
~CJ.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
When one considers that paramatman is one but appears divided among bodies or Samam pashyan hi sarvatra samavasthitameeshwaram (existing equally everywhere), the confusion may go. There is only one "I am" and not many. There is only one life force and not many.

In this light, IMO, the following can be understood.
I am the wind on the sea
I am the stormy wave----- fire in your head
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I've always thought of a "soul" as the conscious mind separate from the corporeal, so I wouldn't imagine non sentient lifeforms having such a thing.
 

chinu

chinu
Ok, I'll start. I believe so and there are other groups out there who also think so.
Sufi's are sometimes mentioned as having thoughts/concepts that are quite Dharmic in nature. The 13th century poet Rumi wrote:
I died as mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was man.
Why should I fear?When was I less by dying?
This shows reincarnation as a progressive activity, yet the thought remains.
There is an ancient Irish poet Amergin (as a people that also spring from the pro-indo-european peoples and the foundations of their religious ideas I thought mentioning them would not be amiss) who is accredited with the Song of Amergin.
(There a a few version out there I am posting a short one here.)
I am the wind on the sea
I am the stormy wave
I am the sound of the ocean
I am the bull with seven horns
I am the hawk on the cliff face
I am the sun's tear
I am the beautiful flower
I am the boar on the rampage
I am the salmon in the pool
I am the lake on the plain
I am the defiant word
I am the spear charging into battle
I am the god who put fire in your head
Some view this as an invocation of all the things around the singer of this song, while others see it as an acknowledgment of the connection between all things. And others tie it to further mysteries of reincarnation.

In the Sri Guru Granth Sahib on page 156 Gauree Chaytee, First Mehl:
ਕੇਤੇ ਰੁਖ ਬਿਰਖ ਹਮ ਚੀਨੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਪਸੂ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Keṯe rukẖ birakẖ ham cẖīne keṯe pasū upā▫e.
I took the form of so many plants and trees, and so many animals.

ਕੇਤੇ ਨਾਗ ਕੁਲੀ ਮਹਿ ਆਏ ਕੇਤੇ ਪੰਖ ਉਡਾਏ ॥੨॥
Keṯe nāg kulī mėh ā▫e keṯe pankẖ udā▫e. ||2||
Many times I entered the families of snakes and flying birds. ||2||

Just thought I would share.
If you are still in doubts after reading all these great sages, than how can any normal person satisfy you.:(

_/\_
Chinu
 
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