Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I doubt any senior authority in Iskcon except maybe Hridayanda Das Goswami will understand it in their lifetime.
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Do some people really find the Bhagavad Gita evil?
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I doubt any senior authority in Iskcon except maybe Hridayanda Das Goswami will understand it in their lifetime.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
If homosexual relationships were only about lust and sex, gay marriage wouldn't exist.
I applaud your openness to LGBT members... And if what you are saying is true, then homophobia might not be globally present but just individual temples.
But didn't Prabhupad call homosexual priests in churches demoniac many times? There are articles on this too.
निताइ dasa
Nitai's servant's servant
Yes maybe because they were molesting children against their will and exploiting them in the name of religion? There is a big difference in the homosexual lifestyle which Prabhupada criticized in the west (i.e the excessive sex, drugs, violence, as typical of the 60s), and homosexual tendencies that his disciples had, (which he treated with great care and respect).
Marriage exists as we define it. For me, marriage has two purposes (from what I understand of scripture). The first purpose is to allow a system in which procreation can occur and a child can be raised. The second purpose is to dedicate yourself to one partner so that your sexual desire is curbed (i.e you don't go sleeping with everyone because you are dedicated to one partner). Gay marriage can fulfill the secondary purpose of marriage.
These are all opinions. Vaishnavism does not have a rule, or there is no scripture that forbids gays or any group from being a Vaishnava. There is only opinion. Unfortunately there are people who find their opinion the highest. If only they constantly remembered Chaitanya's words 'be humbler than a blade of grass'. They are Gaudiyas, after all. If you are not allowed, then I wonder if I'm allowed, as I'm from a Muslim family.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I think you will be given a membership. But it depends on the congregation itself, I guess
निताइ dasa
Nitai's servant's servant
Haha at this point, even I'm wondering if ISKCON members are representing Gaudiyas properly. I highly respect the Vaishnavs who are following sincerely within the institution itself, but I really think alot of reforms need to be made. There is no wander, that many Vaishnavs left ISKCON to join other movements like Gaudiya Math.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Shubhankar, you will find it very difficult to contest me on facts. I am quite meticulous in that respect. I think India is making good progress, better than many other countries in the world. This what the Supreme Court said:
"According to a ruling by the Indian Supreme Court, decisions of a High Court on the constitutionality of a law apply throughout India, and not just to the territory of the state over which the High Court in question has jurisdiction.
On January 28, 2014 Supreme Court dismissed the review Petition filed by Central Government, NGO Naz Foundation and several others, against its December 11 verdict on Section 377 of IPC. In explaining the ruling the bench said: "While reading down Section 377, the High Court overlooked that a minuscule fraction of the country’s population constitutes lesbians, gays, bisexuals or transgender people, and in the more than 150 years past, less than 200 persons have been prosecuted for committing offence under Section 377, and this cannot be made a sound basis for declaring that Section ultra vires Articles 14, 15 and 21."
On 15 April 2014, Supreme Court of India declared transgender people as a socially and economically backward class entitled to reservations in Education and Job, and also directed union and state governments to frame welfare schemes for them.
On 24 April 2015, the Rajya Sabha passed the Rights of Transgender Persons Bill, 2014 guaranteeing rights and entitlements, reservations in education and jobs (2% reservation in government jobs), legal aid, pensions, unemployment allowances and skill development for transgender people. It also contains provisions to prohibit discrimination in employment, prevent abuse, violence and exploitation of transgender people. The Bill also provides for the establishment of welfare boards at the Centre and State level, and for Transgender Rights Courts.
Kamla Jaan contested and won the position of the mayor of Katni in MP. In December 2000, Asha Devi became the mayor of Gorakhpur. On 4 January 2015, independent candidate Madhu Bai Kinnar was elected as the mayor of Raigarh, Chhattisgarh becoming India's first openly transgender mayor. Shabnam Mausi is the first transgender Indian or hijra to be elected to public office. She was an elected member of the Madhya Pradesh State Legislative Assembly from 1998 to 2003. In 2000 Shabnam Mausi became India's first eunuch MP. On 5 November 2015, K. Prithika Yashini became the first transgender police officer in the state of Tamil Nadu."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_India#Law_regarding_same-sex_sexual_activity
Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Homosexuality_in_India#Are_homosexual_acts_legal_in_all_of_India.3F
"It means that 377 is officially repealed as of 2 July 2009, unless Parliament chooses to reinstate it (in its original or a modified form). However, what is certain is that all sexual acts between consenting adults, when performed in private, whatever the gender combination of said adults, are no longer criminal. And this applies across the country - it was a national law that was found unconstitutional, and the result of its repeal apply nationally. That's how Indian jurispridence works. Jasepl (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)"
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Aligarh Muslim University is fairly misogynistic, homophobic as like most religious schools in India.
The dialogues might not be exactly accurate. Lol.
But overall, they depicted it accurately.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I don't see the Gita as evil at all. I've read that it's seen as that for various reasons, like encouraging castes and war, but that's not what I took away from it:
Krishna is telling Arjun that they made their bed and now they can lie in it. That's it. We are all the victims of the consequences of our choices. For Arjun to wuss out on the battlefield was funny considering both sides had multiple opportunities to not screw up and prevent the war but nope ... they didn't.
Krishna is telling Arjun that they made their bed and now they can lie in it. That's it. We are all the victims of the consequences of our choices. For Arjun to wuss out on the battlefield was funny considering both sides had multiple opportunities to not screw up and prevent the war but nope ... they didn't.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Zac, Aligarh Muslim University has already lost its minority institution status. Now it is just like any other state university.
Edit: Now it is just like Banaras Hindu University, Hindu only in name. They will not be able to reserve 50% seats for Muslims. The logic is that it gets all (or most of) its money from the Government.
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I personally love the Gita, its when we don"t understand it that we come up with such questions as why the Gita is evil, its simply saying that no one is ever born, and no one can ever die, so no matter what you do, you cannot kill them, but on a material level yes, they can be killed