Do the numerous mistakes in the Bible play a part in driving people away from religion?

[exchemist]

My yes answers neither implied nor inferred what you've written above.

The UK is dying. It's Empire has gone--likely because of Britain's dealings with the Chosen People and the death of saving Christianity there.

The empire went because the country was exhausted and bankrupt after WW2 and because Macmillan realised there was no way Britain, after posing as a liberator in the war, could justify thwarting the will of the colonies for independence, if it had the resources, which it did not.

Suggestions that the death of Christianity had anything to do with this, or that it was somehow to do with the Jews, are perfectly bonkers.

But you are right that the UK is dying - thanks to Brexit. We can expect Scottish independence to follow in due time, and probably Northern Ireland joining the South.

 

[oldbadger]

The UK is dying. It's Empire has gone--

You're way out of date.
The Empire didn't exist in my lifetime, it became a Commonwealth after WW11.

likely because of Britain's dealings with the Chosen People and the death of saving Christianity there.

Oh please! Christianity's record is humendously horrid, two thousand years of it.

Christian love and understanding has a future here.
Christian fundamentalism and extremism hasn't, it's as simple as that.

 

[night912]

A Muslim should by definition not be talking about the mistakes of the Bible.

Actually, a Muslim should/could by definition talk about the mistakes of the bible. It's part of Islam's beliefs/teachings it has errors and/or parts of it was corrupted by man.

A pot calling a kettle black

And the kettle is still black nonetheless.

A true statement spoken by a hypocrite does not make that statement untrue. Hypocrisy has no bearing on a true statement in making it less true or not true.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The empire went because the country was exhausted and bankrupt after WW2 and because Macmillan realised there was no way Britain, after posing as a liberator in the war, could justify thwarting the will of the colonies for independence, if it had the resources, which it did not.

Suggestions that the death of Christianity had anything to do with this, or that it was somehow to do with the Jews, are perfectly bonkers.

But you are right that the UK is dying - thanks to Brexit. We can expect Scottish independence to follow in due time, and probably Northern Ireland joining the South.

You've not studied the history of the world as it relates to how the nations treat Israel. The correlation is extremely high.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You're way out of date.
The Empire didn't exist in my lifetime, it became a Commonwealth after WW11.


Oh please! Christianity's record is humendously horrid, two thousand years of it.

Christian love and understanding has a future here.
Christian fundamentalism and extremism hasn't, it's as simple as that.

You've not studied the very close correlation between blessings and cursings for nations and people in history, based on their treatment of we Jews, and based on their acceptance of or rejection of biblical (not Roman) Christianity.

 

[exchemist]

You've not studied the history of the world as it relates to how the nations treat Israel. The correlation is extremely high.

True, but then I'm not a crank.

 

[oldbadger]

You've not studied the very close correlation between blessings and cursings for nations and people in history, based on their treatment of we Jews, and based on their acceptance of or rejection of biblical (not Roman) Christianity.

Then you might run a thread about....
Blessings and Cursings for Nations according to how they treated Jews.
Go for it.....

Roman Christianity is a horrid distortion of truth imo. Not much challenged for millenia due to the firey stake that awaited critics.

I'm all up for reading about Jewish Christianity. I think that Cephas might have driven that.

 

[firedragon]

Actually, a Muslim should/could by definition talk about the mistakes of the bible. It's part of Islam's beliefs/teachings it has errors and/or parts of it was corrupted by man.

Brother. With all due respect, the Quran does not address the Bible or any other existing scripture directly and say they were corrupted. Instead, the Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God".

 

[night912]

Brother. With all due respect, the Quran does not address the Bible or any other existing scripture directly and say they were corrupted. Instead, the Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God".

Nice contradiction you have there. So who do supposed wrote the scriptures and books of the bible and CLAIMED it was from God? I had never heard of any Christian who believes that it was God who was the one who had actually wrote the bible. There's plenty of them who claim that the four canonical gospels were written by the ones who the titles were named after, but not one that claimed that Matthew was written by God himself. Or are you the first one to believe that?

 

[firedragon]

Nice contradiction you have there. So who do supposed wrote the scriptures and books of the bible and CLAIMED it was from God? I had never heard of any Christian who believes that it was God who was the one who had actually wrote the bible. There's plenty of them who claim that the four canonical gospels were written by the ones who the titles were named after, but not one that claimed that Matthew was written by God himself. Or are you the first one to believe that?

What was the contradiction in what I said? Please explain.

I said "the Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God".

The Quran does not speak about any scripture being corrupted. Do you understand? No scripture got corrupted. The Quran does not recognise the Bible as scripture. The scripture cited in the Quran are many.

 

[firedragon]

Nice contradiction you have there. So who do supposed wrote the scriptures and books of the bible and CLAIMED it was from God? I had never heard of any Christian who believes that it was God who was the one who had actually wrote the bible. There's plenty of them who claim that the four canonical gospels were written by the ones who the titles were named after, but not one that claimed that Matthew was written by God himself. Or are you the first one to believe that?

3:78 From amongst them is a group that twists their tongues with the book so that you may count it from the book, while it is not from the book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and

 

[night912]

What was the contradiction in what I said? Please explain.

I said "the Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God".

The Quran does not speak about any scripture being corrupted. Do you understand? No scripture got corrupted. The Quran does not recognise the Bible as scripture. The scripture cited in the Quran are many.

Yes it does. It recognize the bible as being scripture for christianity.

3:78 From amongst them is a group that twists their tongues with the book so that you may count it from the book, while it is not from the book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and

Islam does believe that the previous prophets did existed, Moses, Jesus etc and that they did teach the word of God. It's "books/scripture" that were written down, as we know them today, are actually just teachings of people who claim that it's the word of God. Those people had corrupted the true word of God, therefore the bible is a collection corrupted "scriptures."


So you saying, "the Quran does not address the Bible or any other existing scripture" followed with, the "Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God," is a contradiction.

You claiming that the Quran does not address the bible but then you immediately say that the Quran does address the bible right after.

You are not seeing the contradiction because you believe that the bible is the true word of God. But Islam does not believe what you believe, therefore what you said about Islam/the Quran is a contradiction.

 

[night912]

3:78 From amongst them is a group that twists their tongues with the book so that you may count it from the book, while it is not from the book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and

Look at it and take it in context. The Quran is not talking about the Quran, that wouldn't make sense. It's referring to the "scriptures"(those that are claimed as being scripture) of the other religions.

 

[firedragon]

Yes it does. It recognize the bible as being scripture for christianity.

Nowhere.

Islam does believe that the previous prophets did existed, Moses, Jesus etc and that they did teach the word of God. It's "books/scripture" that were written down, as we know them today, are actually just teachings of people who claim that it's the word of God. Those people had corrupted the true word of God, therefore the bible is a collection corrupted "scriptures."


So you saying, "the Quran does not address the Bible or any other existing scripture" followed with, the "Quran says that "people wrote by their own hands and CLAIMED it was from God," is a contradiction.

You claiming that the Quran does not address the bible but then you immediately say that the Quran does address the bible right after.

You are not seeing the contradiction because you believe that the bible is the true word of God. But Islam does not believe what you believe, therefore what you said about Islam/the Quran is a contradiction.

Please quote the Quran and show me where it speaks of any scripture that was corrupted. Rather than making assumptions about my belief, why not quote the Quran?

Look at it and take it in context. The Quran is not talking about the Quran, that wouldn't make sense. It's referring to the "scriptures"(those that are claimed as being scripture) of the other religions.

Of course its not talking about the Quran. Who said it did?

 

[night912]

Nowhere.

You just said it yourself.

Please quote the Quran and show me where it speaks of any scripture that was corrupted.

Rather than asking me to quote the Quran, just take a look at what you said and my explanation as to why you contradicted yourself.

Rather than making assumptions about my belief

So you don't believe that, according to Christianity beliefs, the bible is a collection of true scriptures? You don't believe that Christians believe that bible was written by men and that it's the word of God?

why not quote the Quran?

Why quote the Quran when I'm talking about you contradicting yourself and the Quran contradicting itself?

And you haven't addressed my points and explain why it wasn't a contradiction. So what's your explanation?

 

[firedragon]

So you don't believe that, according to Christianity beliefs, the bible is a collection of true scriptures? You don't believe that Christians believe that bible was written by men and that it's the word of God?

Yep. Christians believe that the Bible is a collection of "true scriptures". Just that, its not relevant to what I said.

Why quote the Quran when I'm talking about you contradicting yourself and the Quran contradicting itself?

And you haven't addressed my points and explain why it wasn't a contradiction. So what's your explanation?

Tell me what the contradiction is specifically and I will try to explain.

 

[night912]

Rather than making assumptions about my belief

Yep. Christians believe that the Bible is a collection of "true scriptures".

See, not assuming, just the truth.

Just that, its not relevant to what I said.

Yes it was, especially the relevancy and as evidence as to why you contradicted yourself.

And it also show that you were wrong when you responded with

Nowhere.

Tell me what the contradiction is specifically and I will try to explain.

Try actually reading what I said and not automatically defend yourself. I've explained it already.

 

[firedragon]

See, not assuming, just the truth.

But you assumed I was Christian. So that was assumption, not truth. You didnt lie, you just assumed.

Try actually reading what I said and not automatically defend yourself. I've explained it already.

No you didnt.

 

[night912]

But you assumed I was Christian. So that was assumption, not truth. You didnt lie, you just assumed.

Where did I say that? I didn't assume that you were a Christian. Rather than making an assumption of what I said, just ask me what I meant. Hence the reason for telling you to look at it with context and from the perspective of Islam. If looking from the Christian perspective, the bible is true so of course the scripture isn't corrupted.

No you didnt.

Again, re read what I said instead of making the assumption that I never did.

Your assumptions have clouded your way of thinking and seeing what's actually been said.

 

[OtherSheep]

Do ex-Christians or "Christians by name" tend to think that since the Bible is flawed, religion is false?

The Parable of the Seeds and the Ground on Which They Fell. The only Christians are those who Understand the Gospel of the Kingdom and are faithful. The character of Jesus keeps us knowing that some things don't belong in the Bible.

If the enemy planted tares, then he also planted bad verses. If the enemy came and snatched away the Gospel of the Kingdom from the hearts that didn't understand, then he also snatched away part of the Bible... to some degree...

Folk Memory carried the Bible long before it was written down, so that some parts could not be changed or removed without raising an outcry. People who think that the Bible not being written from day 1 is a bad thing. But it actually acted as a safeguard.