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Do those who prefer falsehood over truth deserve hell forever?

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Premium Member
Have you listened to Christian leaders? How about Jewish? Hindu? Why do you reject other faiths?

I suspect I reject Muslim religion for many of the same reasons you reject other faiths.
There are differences between religions. One of them is that we believe the chosen leaders from God are chosen through knowledge of God that they won't deviate. This is while for example Solomon deviates in the Bible after being chosen.

I believe my religion is rational and not only that but consistent in all times.
 

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Question Everything
There are differences between religions. One of them is that we believe the chosen leaders from God are chosen through knowledge of God that they won't deviate. This is while for example Solomon deviates in the Bible after being chosen.

I believe my religion is rational and not only that but consistent in all times.

Most groups believe similar things, believe their group is chosen, believe their group is directly guided by God, believe their group is rational.

Evidence - which group is happier? Which group lives longer? Which group has most technology? Inventions, quality of life, this shows rational correct thought.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I believe it is scientific fact that the inside of the earth is molten rock.
That doesn't demonstrate that the OP's concept of hell is real in my view.

Have you ever tried to push a cadaver into molten rock?

It doesn't magically come alive and have its flesh eternally on fire. Instead it burns up fairly quickly over a finite period of time and critically - it stays dead in my view.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Most groups believe similar things, believe their group is chosen, believe their group is directly guided by God, believe their group is rational.

Evidence - which group is happier? Which group lives longer? Which group has most technology? Inventions, quality of life, this shows rational correct thought.
I am bombarded by believers with reasons theirs is
the singular true religion, & everyone else is wrong.
They're all certain. All but 1 has even a chance of
being right. And it could be that none are.
 
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idea

Question Everything
I am bombarded by believers with reasons theirs is
the singular true religion, & everyone else is wrong.
They're all certain.

The only way to settle it, let's look at data.

What is religion of Hong Kong?
Macao - also Buddhist
Japan...
Hmm.

By their fruits ye shall know them?


Expectancy
1Hong Kong85.8388.6683.00
2Macao85.5188.1182.88
3Japan84.9587.9781.91
4Switzerland84.3886.0582.63
5Singapore84.2786.4282.13
6Italy84.2086.1382.15
7South Korea84.1487.2380.83
8Spain84.0586.6881.35
9Malta83.8585.8381.81
10Australia83.7385.5681.89
11French Polynesia83.7086.1081.49
12Sweden83.6585.2282.08
13Norway83.5585.1781.91
14Martinique83.4586.0980.44
15Israel83.3985.1081.59
16France83.3586.0880.50
17Guadeloupe83.3486.4379.68
18New Zealand83.1684.8481.43
19Canada83.0284.9481.07
20Iceland82.96
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The only way to settle it, let's look at data.

What is religion of Hong Kong?
Macao - also Buddhist
Japan...
Hmm.

By their fruits ye shall know them?


Expectancy
1Hong Kong85.8388.6683.00
2Macao85.5188.1182.88
3Japan84.9587.9781.91
4Switzerland84.3886.0582.63
5Singapore84.2786.4282.13
6Italy84.2086.1382.15
7South Korea84.1487.2380.83
8Spain84.0586.6881.35
9Malta83.8585.8381.81
10Australia83.7385.5681.89
11French Polynesia83.7086.1081.49
12Sweden83.6585.2282.08
13Norway83.5585.1781.91
14Martinique83.4586.0980.44
15Israel83.3985.1081.59
16France83.3586.0880.50
17Guadeloupe83.3486.4379.68
18New Zealand83.1684.8481.43
19Canada83.0284.9481.07
20Iceland82.96
Before I read your link, what point
are you trying to make in response
to my post?
I'm not seeing it.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Most groups believe similar things, believe their group is chosen, believe their group is directly guided by God, believe their group is rational.

Evidence - which group is happier? Which group lives longer? Which group has most technology? Inventions, quality of life, this shows rational correct thought.
I don't think that's due to virtue but other factors.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
That would be true regardless if Islam is clear in guidance or not.
Oh come on. You have Sunnis and Shia at each others throats, and all of them had the Sufis. I've even run across more than one Muslim that had a "sola scriptura" approach, meaning that they accept only the Quran and none of the hadith. You have Muslims who say jihad means a spiritual struggle with yourself, and Muslims who say jihad means blowing up the NYC trade center. You have Muslims who say it is fine for a woman to not cover her hair, and Muslims who will stone a woman in the streets if she doesn't wear a burka. So don't tell me that it's clear.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Oh come on. You have Sunnis and Shia at each others throats, and all of them had the Sufis. I've even run across more than one Muslim that had a "sola scriptura" approach, meaning that they accept only the Quran and none of the hadith. You have Muslims who say jihad means a spiritual struggle with yourself, and Muslims who say jihad means blowing up the NYC trade center. You have Muslims who say it is fine for a woman to not cover her hair, and Muslims who will stone a woman in the streets if she doesn't wear a burka. So don't tell me that it's clear.
The mistake you are doing is assuming people would unite if guidance had clear proofs. The problem with divisions is not that guidance does not have clear proofs, it's that people follow their caprice and are subdued by Satanic magic despite it being clear.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am bombarded by believers with reasons theirs is
the singular true religion, & everyone else is wrong.
They're all certain. All but 1 has even a chance of
being right. And it could be that none are.
The other, and I see more viable option is that they are all based on the "One" truth supplied to us via many messages and man has divided that truth to suit their own agenda's.

Regards Tony
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The mistake you are doing is assuming people would unite if guidance had clear proofs. The problem with divisions is not that guidance does not have clear proofs, it's that people follow their caprice and are subdued by Satanic magic despite it being clear.
We are talking about clarity of teaching. Yes, if the teachings were clear, there would be no disputes.
 
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