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Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Highly doubtful things would be worse. Take the 2016 election for example. Republicans claim to be political experts on policy, etc. Look how that turned out.

So people voting based on evidence and facts that claim to not be political experts would be more informed than those who claim to 'know it all' and end up being manipulated for their votes.

So you have experts being swayed by propaganda (dangerous) and non-experts trying to vote based on facts/evidence. The people who don't watch political news all day long are more informed in most cases. It just depends on what you call truth/facts/evidence.
Do you think more Tytlyfs would be enticed to vote?
Or more Revoltingests?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Do you think more Tytlyfs would be enticed to vote?
Or more Revoltingests?
Yes. If you have a system where eligible people have to vote. You'll need to have a system that is easy to use and informs the public on policy positions, etc.
The current system has been broken a long time. It's been corrupted.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It sounded rhetorical because you provided the answer.
But I don't know that the popular vote would reduce
power of the large states.
If you do not understand or dispute any of the information I provided on the electoral system and unequal voting power, please say so, or click the link I provided. Obviously you have plenty of time to research and inform yourself on such issues.

There are important reasons to support the NPVIC, regardless of your animus toward Hillary Clinton.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If you do not understand or dispute any of the information I provided on the electoral system and unequal voting power, please say so, or click the link I provided. Obviously you have plenty of time to research and inform yourself on such issues.

There are important reasons to support the NPVIC, regardless of your animus toward Hillary Clinton.
I actually dislike Hillary less than Donald.
But my vote wasn't about picking a friend or roommate.
It was to put the least dangerous candidate in office.
Btw, I did answer your question.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I actually dislike Hillary less than Donald.
But my vote wasn't about picking a friend or roommate.
It was to put the least dangerous candidate in office.
Btw, I did answer your question.
The POTUS is a leadership position. Hillary was the responsible choice. I told you that long before the election.

Only one of their foundations is still standing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Did you yet understand the important issue of the unequal voting power that the electoral system creates according to state population?
That's a loaded question.
You place greater importance on this than do I.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The POTUS is a leadership position. Hillary was the responsible choice. I told you that long before the election.

Only one of their foundations is still standing.
Hillary the responsible choice? What a joke.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trump isn't a "joke"-- he's a "catastrophe".
Let's think about this.
What is actually so bad?
- Has he started any new wars?
Other presidents did, or escalated continuing ones.
(Hillary voted to start one, & threatened more.)
By this measure, no catastrophe.
- Have we suffered any tax increases?
The TCAJA has increased federal revenue, but some changes
are for the better, eg, less subsidy for home ownership.
No catastrophe here either.
- Have the deficit & the debt increased?
Yes, this is bad, but one can't call it a "catastrophe" when
it's just business as usual for all administrations.
- Supreme Court nominations.
This is indeed a catastrophe for people who wanted a more
liberal activist court. But other than partisan preference, his
justices have been reasonable choices. So no catastrophe.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If there was one, do you think he'd get in or would he go to that other place?
If there was one it wouldn’t be for me to judge where Trump or anyone else would go. Only God knows, right?

And your line of questioning is totally irrelevant to this thread.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Either. You can't expect the populace to be informed of all policies, etc. Unless you required some sort of education program for all voters to review (based on facts obviously). Democrats are in favor of limits on donations, etc for campaigns. Republicans are not. Political donations should be limited to $100 per person. And no dark money involved.
You would give up freedom of speech? There must be a better way to address the problems.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Let's think about this.
What is actually so bad?
- Has he started any new wars?
Other presidents did, or escalated continuing ones.
(Hillary voted to start one, & threatened more.)
By this measure, no catastrophe.
- Have we suffered any tax increases?
The TCAJA has increased federal revenue, but some changes
are for the better, eg, less subsidy for home ownership.
No catastrophe here either.
- Have the deficit & the debt increased?
Yes, this is bad, but one can't call it a "catastrophe" when
it's just business as usual for all administrations.
- Supreme Court nominations.
This is indeed a catastrophe for people who wanted a more
liberal activist court. But other than partisan preference, his
justices have been reasonable choices. So no catastrophe.
CBP Enforcement Statistics FY2018


Under Trump's tax plan people who earn between $157,501 to $191,650 and people who earn between $200,000 and $416,701 will have had their tax increased. More to the point however, Trumps tax cuts come at a price. Less taxes equals less money.

And Trump seems to be adding to the debt at the rate Obama was, without the excuse of needing to prevent a collapsing economy.
.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
CBP Enforcement Statistics FY2018


Under Trump's tax plan people who earn between $157,501 to $191,650 and people who earn between $200,000 and $416,701 will have had their tax increased. More to the point however, Trumps tax cuts come at a price. Less taxes equals less money.

And Trump seems to be adding to the debt at the rate Obama was, without the excuse of needing to prevent a collapsing economy.
.
Aye, I've noted that Trump is still another tax & spend politician.
 
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