Do we have evidence to show that Jesus never got married, nor had any children or descendants

[Faybull]

This guy is all over the place. He has no answers.

Jesus did not have sex or he would have violated the Law. I posted the Laws. It is that simple. There is nothing else to argue about.

Also, that is why he was born of a virgin. He was not born of a defiling act. People do not study the law.

How about the law that says an egg needs sperm to fertilize it?

 

[Bunyip]

During the early Church years the priests did have wives.

That's right. Why do you think it changed?

 

[Faybull]

That's right. Why do you think it changed?

Does this have to do with Daniel 11?

 

[Bunyip]

Does this have to do with Daniel 11?

Can you elaborate?

 

[roger1440]

That's right. Why do you think it changed?

It’s a long drawn out story. The change didn’t happen overnight. A good book on the topic is

Adam, Eve, and the Serpent: Sex and Politics in Early Christianity: Elaine Pagels: 9780679722328: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Shiranui117]

That's right. Why do you think it changed?

Bishops were required to be single men starting with 1 Nicaea, because having to take care of the spiritual well-being of everyone in your province eats up a lot of time, and given how often bishops have to travel around, it wouldn't be fair for the family to have their father and husband always be away from home and never have time for his actual family.

Priests in the Roman Catholic Church were later required to be celibate, because since priests and bishops were among the only literate people in all of Western Europe for a very long time, they were thus appointed to government positions by kings. And so in order to avoid priests and bishops passing down their assets to children and mixing church and state at every level, the Roman Church decided to abolish the married priesthood.

It should be noted that Eastern/Oriental Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East all retain married priests; these churches have always allowed married men to be ordained to the priesthood, though they all required that bishops be single.

 

[Faybull]

Bishops were required to be single men starting with 1 Nicaea, because having to take care of the spiritual well-being of everyone in your province eats up a lot of time, and given how often bishops have to travel around, it wouldn't be fair for the family to have their father and husband always be away from home and never have time for his actual family.

Priests in the Roman Catholic Church were later required to be celibate, because since priests and bishops were among the only literate people in all of Western Europe for a very long time, they were thus appointed to government positions by kings. And so in order to avoid priests and bishops passing down their assets to children and mixing church and state at every level, the Roman Church decided to abolish the married priesthood.

It should be noted that Eastern/Oriental Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East all retain married priests; these churches have always allowed married men to be ordained to the priesthood, though they all required that bishops be single.

But then, who is an unmarried man that counsels a married man?

 

[Bunyip]

Bishops were required to be single men starting with 1 Nicaea, because having to take care of the spiritual well-being of everyone in your province eats up a lot of time, and given how often bishops have to travel around, it wouldn't be fair for the family to have their father and husband always be away from home and never have time for his actual family.

Sorry, but I can't swallow that. Sailors and soldiers are away from home a lot also, yet they marry. Kings are very busy, but they marry. I'm sorry, but being very busy or away a lot are not reasons for celibacy.

Priests in the Roman Catholic Church were later required to be celibate, because since priests and bishops were among the only literate people in all of Western Europe for a very long time, they were thus appointed to government positions by kings. And so in order to avoid priests and bishops passing down their assets to children and mixing church and state at every level, the Roman Church decided to abolish the married priesthood.

It should be noted that Eastern/Oriental Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East all retain married priests; these churches have always allowed married men to be ordained to the priesthood, though they all required that bishops be single.

 

[Shiranui117]

But then, who is an unmarried man that counsels a married man?

Which is part of the reason that some voices within the Catholic Church are pushing for the re-admittance of married men into the ranks of the priesthood--which, by the way, could totally happen and wouldn't change any doctrines or teachings of the Catholic Church.

And just because a priest is unmarried doesn't mean that he doesn't know a thing or two about how to treat someone with love and keep a harmonious relationship. One of the greatest treatises on marriage in Christian history was written by a lifelong monk, St. John Chrysostom.

 

[Faybull]

Which is part of the reason that some voices within the Catholic Church are pushing for the re-admittance of married men into the ranks of the priesthood--which, by the way, could totally happen and wouldn't change any doctrines or teachings of the Catholic Church.

And just because a priest is unmarried doesn't mean that he doesn't know a thing or two about how to treat someone with love and keep a harmonious relationship. One of the greatest treatises on marriage in Christian history was written by a lifelong monk, St. John Chrysostom.

But it does mean they have no experience with being married. So how does one relate to marriage without the experience of it?
I don't disagree that an unmarried may know a thing or two about treating another with love.
Yet, neither do I want to seek counsel on reconciliation from one who is divorced, because the same reason that dissolution isn't being reconciled to anything.


Accordingly, if scripture is correct, there are going to be many changes.