Do We Really Need This Kind of Bigotry?

[Alceste]

Well when I suggested that sexism was involved you were kind of taken aback.

In fairness, the fact that Lehava's specific mandate is to harass Jewish women who date non-Jewish men is probably new information for metis.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I'm not your dog.

If he wants a citation I'll refer him to pages 1-7 of this thread, there was a debate has to whether opposition to intermarriage is bigoted or not. He must have missed it.

 

[Alceste]

She is correct. I saw all this too.

I've never in all my days encountered a person with bigoted views who understood or recognized the form of bigotry they subscribe to on sight. "That's not racist" is the reaction every time. Inconvenient factors like the chanting of "death to Arabs" are always swept under the rug in favour of an abstract philosophical debate about history or the loveliness of the dominant culture.

I once went to storm front to see what white supremacists talk about, and saw "I'm not racist but..." on every thread.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I've never in all my days encountered a person with bigoted views who understood or recognized the form of bigotry they subscribe to on sight. "That's not racist" is the reaction every time. Inconvenient factors like the chanting of "death to Arabs" are always swept under the rug in favour of an abstract philosophical debate about history or the loveliness of the dominant culture.

I once went to storm front to see what white supremacists talk about, and saw "I'm not racist but..." on every thread.

It's the "I can't be racist....I have black friends" thing. It's hard for people to realize how they have been encultured to be racist, sexist and bigoted. It's so normal that to point out racist behavior or attitudes just sends them down the spiral of cognitive dissonance.

 

[metis]

Levite, Luis Dantas, Jayhawker and many others all defended the group's racist ideology to some degree or other while (faintly, Imo) criticizing their tactics.

The specific form of defense was denying that Lehava's ideology is fundamentally bigoted and glossing over the "death to Arabs" aspect of the group.

How disgustingly dishonest you are being here. Here's what Levite wrote, and it was his only comment on this thread: "I am firmly opposed to intermarriage, and I still think those protesters were acting in a terribly disgusting manner." How in the world could anyone claim that he was defending the groups "racist ideology"?

As far as you telling me that "I'm not your dog", I certainly didn't treat you as such nor implied as such, instead focusing in on the fact that you didn't put forth the names and numbers, and then you lied when you claimed you did answer my request.

It is totally disingenuous of you to question the morality of certain people here while hurling insults to others by saying that they posted statements that they never posted. It is hypocritical to declare the motives of others to be "bigoted" and "racist" while you are acting immorally yourself.

 

[metis]

If he wants a citation I'll refer him to pages 1-7 of this thread, there was a debate has to whether opposition to intermarriage is bigoted or not. He must have missed it.

Sarcasm noted, and I certainly didn't miss pages 1-7. Also, what she had referred to was not the issue of intermarriage but was instead dealing with the "Death to Arabs" statement, which she said some were defending here ("racism"). And apparently you must believe that LD is unable to read as well since he also focused in on her claim and also asked for whom supposedly defended them?

 

[LuisDantas]

Levite, Luis Dantas, Jayhawker and many others all defended the group's racist ideology to some degree or other

I did? Did Levite? I wonder what you are talking about.

while (faintly, Imo) criticizing their tactics.

And their racism.

The specific form of defense was denying that Lehava's ideology is fundamentally bigoted and glossing over the "death to Arabs" aspect of the group.

If you say so. I sure don't remember doing so. Post #, please?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you get it yet?

Did you have some problem understanding posts #39 to #61?

 

[metis]

Do you get it yet?

To equate any opposition to "intermarriage" as being "racism" is a non-sequitur, and to accuse people of "bigotry" and "racism" because they may oppose intermarriage between people of different religious groups is complete nonsense.

 

[metis]

I sure don't remember doing so. Post #, please?

A recommendation: don't hold your breath.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

To equate any opposition to "intermarriage" as being "racism" is a non-sequitur, and to accuse people of "bigotry" and "racism" because they may oppose intermarriage between people of different religious groups is complete nonsense.

Well...the couple in the article are of the same religious group, so there is no intermarriage then...is there?

Please tell me how opposition to intermarriage or miscegenation as some would put it is not bigotry? So some are opposed to intermarriage on the basis of what?

Please 'splain.

 

[metis]

Another recommendation to all: instead of labeling people here as being "racists" and "bigots", or accusing them of supporting "racism" and "bigotry", let me recommend we actually get back to the topic covered in the OP. As for me, I've seen more than enough disgusting posts for a day.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Another recommendation to all: instead of labeling people here as being "racists" and "bigots", or accusing them of supporting "racism" and "bigotry", let me recommend we actually get back to the topic covered in the OP. As for me, I've seen more than enough disgusting posts for a day.

So you are going to take your ball and run home?

 

[MD]

Religions thrive on the lack of intermarriage. That's one of the ways religions spread.

If a Muslim marries a non-Muslim, the marriage is viewed as null in the eyes of a Sharia court. In Islamic countries it's illegal, and since converting out of Islam results in a death penalty, the non Muslim has to convert to preserve their love. I've had Christian friends come crying to me because they truly believed their boyfriend or girlfriend would go to hell and that their kids would be damned as well. Those relationships ended as well. I'm sure Judaism has its own reasons.

You can't have religion with inter-marriage, especially Abrahamic religions. Dharmic faiths are a lot more open with their own inter-marriages. Dharmic/Abrahamic intermarriages have their own issues though.

It's not 'racist' when Jews and Arabs share a lot more similar genetics. I don't know if the liberals realize that.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Religions thrive on the lack of intermarriage. That's one of the ways religions spread.

If a Muslim marries a non-Muslim, the marriage is viewed as null in the eyes of a Sharia court. In Islamic countries it's illegal, and since converting out of Islam results in a death penalty, the non Muslim has to convert to preserve their love. I've had Christian friends come crying to me because they truly believed their boyfriend or girlfriend would go to hell and that their kids would be damned as well. Those relationships ended as well. I'm sure Judaism has its own reasons.

You can't have religion with inter-marriage, especially Abrahamic religions. Dharmic faiths are a lot more open with their own inter-marriages.

And that is still bigotry.

 

[MD]

And that is still bigotry.

I agree, but then you have to argue that Abrahamic faiths themselves have bigotry. Especially those faiths which have not adapted to the modern world and continue to destroy what they view as illegal marriages.

 

[Alceste]

To equate any opposition to "intermarriage" as being "racism" is a non-sequitur, and to accuse people of "bigotry" and "racism" because they may oppose intermarriage between people of different religious groups is complete nonsense.

This is a Muslim couple.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

This is a Muslim couple.

Somehow that fact is escaping everyone's notice.

 

[Alceste]

I agree, but then you have to argue that Abrahamic faiths themselves have bigotry. Especially those faiths which have not adapted to the modern world and continue to destroy what they view as illegal marriages.

That I will agree with. Apparently there is something about insisting that only your own religion is "true" that leads to bigotry. What a surprise!

 

[Poeticus]

The most important order of business: please for the love of the gods and goddesses add an "r" in "Bigoty" in the title of this thread. This is of paramount importance. All else be damned.