Ellen Brown
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I have been Muslim since 2005 and had never heard that Women do not have souls. Is this so?
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Do Women Have Souls?
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Ellen Brown
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Still researching. Apparently the early Catholic church taught that. Google says that "Orthodox (what does that even mean?) Muslims" believe this. Being Muslim, I never heard this.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Oh, this just gets more bizarre.
In very conservative Christian Churches, Genesis 3:16 is very hard to confuse, but the advent of Feminism has robbed men of their pleasure. I've seen Mormon women get very indignant over this, and in that culture, it is obvious that the women are the ones that get things done. Yet, their leadership act like their holding a hot potato.Since Genesis 3:16 is part of the Jewish works, I would be very interested to see how that plays out. It just gets funner and funner.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Oh, this just gets more bizarre.
Since Genesis 3:16 is part of the Jewish works, I would be very interested to see how that plays out. It just gets funner and funner.
Oh, this just gets more bizarre.
Since Genesis 3:16 is part of the Jewish works, I would be very interested to see how that plays out. It just gets funner and funner.
The Church of Latter Day Saints has tried to recruit me and my family to join their Church. Once every so often, they've sent a couple of elders, who were actually highly attractive young male models, to visit me and my family at our home. We've been very kind, receptive, appreciative, respectful and friendly towards each other. I've provided them with refreshments and snacks. If I were to follow any religion other than Matrixism, I'd probably be a Latter Day Saint.
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Ellen Brown
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I'm Sunni. Does that mean I can't talk to Christians, or Jews, or Zoroastrians? Um well, I'm actually Abrahamic Religionist.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
I'm not a Sunni but this is not a thing in Sunnism nor Shia. Where did you hear this?
False.
Komori
Member
This is an exclusively Alawite belief. That's probably where they heard it from.Where did you hear this?
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Interesting. Well I know less about the Alawites than other post-Islamic and Ghulat sects/traditions. However I can see it being very viable that that idea applied to regular Muslims is a piece of propaganda, often stuff like that is spread by Wahhabis and the like, propagated among Sunnis against Shi'ites etc but yeah, the idea though (Women not having souls) is really weird to say the least.
Ellen Brown
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I was often told that there are more women in hell than men. I think it was a tactic to control women. It may be in the Quran ???
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
No, it's a Bukhari narration. Dodgy enough in itself but I've never heard/seen Sunnis ever promoting that idea personally.
Komori
Member
According to the sources I have access to, their reason for believing this is their belief that women were created by devils. They take this from the ninth century Ghulat text Kitab al-haft wa'l-adhilla, also known as al-Haft al-sharif (available in English here) which ascribes to Imam al-Sadiq (on the supposed authority of his student Mufaddal) some very terrible statements about women, including the notorious hadith which states that most of the people in Hell are women. It is indeed a very strange idea.
Women have souls.
I truly recommend you search information about Islam from reliable sources where the information comes from scholars - instead of Christian apologists or ignorant non-Muslims, or even questionable scholars. Orthodox Muslim (a term extremely few Muslims use for good reasons) means Muslims who follow traditional Islamic faith; the Qur'an and the ahadith.
Because there are more women in the world than men.
Your sources are false Shia propaganda but I repeat previous ^
Komori
Member
Not propaganda, I'm just saying what these particular people believe.
As if you knew. Besides, this is Sunni DIR. Why are you even here? You might as well visit the salafi thread you made and tell me your definition of Salafism.
Gnostic Ambivalence
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I'm Sunni. Does that mean I can't talk to Christians, or Jews, or Zoroastrians? Um well, I'm actually Abrahamic Religionist.
I am not Sunni however I have never come across even the most head the ball Salafi who believes that women do not have souls. I have come across head the ball Salafis alleging that Thomas Aquinas claimed and even that in certain places and times that Christians used to generally teach that women do not have souls, both of which are outright lies.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
It is evil and hateful for anyone to say that of a woman. Some also say that there are more women in Hell than men. That is evil.
That was Muhammad.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Yes, it was. But I do not understand it. In my own experience, we can not say which partner rejects the other. It is custom that a man only has to say to himself, "I divorce you" three times and he is divorced. Does a woman have the same privilege?
It is because women will form the majority of the entire humankind. Also it is reported that in Jannah every man will have two wives.
"O gathering of women! Give in charity, for I have seen you as a majority of people in Hellfire. You curse others often and you are ungrateful for your livelihood. I have not seen anyone with reductions in mind and religion more capable of removing reason from a resolute man than you."
Grade:sahih
A woman doesn't have that privilege but she also does not have the responsibility then to support the man for three more months. The reason the 'lack of this privilege' is a problem at times is sociological. Women should be protected if their husbands won't do that or if the husband is the reason for the need of protection.
In a healthy relationship usually the husband would agree to the divorce.