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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then why don't we see that in other places? Like Japan. You think American my media is violent, holy damn it cannot compare to Japanese media. But yet violence is so rare there that it made their ex-Prime Minister being assassinated absolutely shocking.
And so? Why do you think that is? Furthermore, as I understand it, guns are not proliferating in Japan amongst the general public and sold to just about anyone, legal or not. As I look at things, there is so much violent thrill on tv. Why do you think that is? Do you think people love violence? Are thrilled by it?
 

Suave

Simulated character
I watched a CNN cast condemn officers for not storming the classroom and taking out the gunman. One person even suggested those officers are not worthy to be cops, and should hand in their badge.
I watched the video - muted of course, since I didn't want to hear anything.
I think the first responders were not equipped either mentally, physically, or experienced enough to handle the situation.
The trained and equipped officers arrived 30 minutes later, and moved in a little after 15 minutes - no doubt after a briefing of the situation and planned action - taking out the gunman.
I think those CNN "experts" owe those cops an apology.
It seems many other people... including an ex chief of police agree with them.
What do you think... Would it have been wise for those cops to have stormed the classroom? What do you think might have been the outcome?

I wish police S.W.A.T. teams were equipped with gas containing Carfentanil they could deploy into a building's ventilation system enabling them then to easily subdue incapacitated hostage takers rendered unconscious by the tranquilizer fumes.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
And so? Why do you think that is? Furthermore, as I understand it, guns are not proliferating in Japan amongst the general public and sold to just about anyone, legal or not.
That's a good point.
If guns were available as freely in Japan, who knows what the blood count would be there.
Not to mention, swords.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
For a moment there, I thought I was the only rational person here. Thanks for that.
Also caring person. The police have a hard job. I was reading a little about the low rate of violent crime in Japan. Of course the gun laws are very strict there, not like here where people revel in buying and selling guns legally or illegally. But now I see that the suicide rate in Japan is very high, higher than that of the United States.
Says one account, "Japan stands out in another way: Its suicide rate is relatively high. In 2019, the rate in Japan was 14.6 per 100,000 people, compared to 13.9 per 100,000 in the United States, 10.5 per 100,000 in Canada, 8.5 per 100,000 in the U.K., and 4.6 per 100,000 in Greece. When it comes to suicide, the scarcity of firearms in Japan does not seem to have had the effect you might expect." So instead of killing others, Japanese have a high incidence of killing themselves.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I wish police S.W.A.T. teams were equipped with gas containing Carfentanil they could deploy into a building's ventilation system enabling them then to easily subdue incapacitated hostage takers rendered unconscious by the tranquilizer fumes.
They have various gases, they use, but they still need to be careful where and how they use them.
An unconscious civilian (child in this case) falling on a concrete floor, could result in a law suit against the police department.

There are so many things to be taken into consideration. It's not as simple as the movies make it seem.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I watched a CNN cast condemn officers for not storming the classroom and taking out the gunman. One person even suggested those officers are not worthy to be cops, and should hand in their badge.
I watched the video - muted of course, since I didn't want to hear anything.
I think the first responders were not equipped either mentally, physically, or experienced enough to handle the situation.
The trained and equipped officers arrived 30 minutes later, and moved in a little after 15 minutes - no doubt after a briefing of the situation and planned action - taking out the gunman.
I think those CNN "experts" owe those cops an apology.
It seems many other people... including an ex chief of police agree with them.
What do you think... Would it have been wise for those cops to have stormed the classroom? What do you think might have been the outcome?
No, the cops deserve scorn. It seems to have been intentional, for whatever reason. After Columbine, it became common practice for cops to storm the location where there's an active shooter reported. That's the protocol.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Also caring person. The police have a hard job. I was reading a little about the low rate of violent crime in Japan. Of course the gun laws are very strict there, not like here where people revel in buying and selling guns legally or illegally. But now I see that the suicide rate in Japan is very high, higher than that of the United States.
Says one account, "Japan stands out in another way: Its suicide rate is relatively high. In 2019, the rate in Japan was 14.6 per 100,000 people, compared to 13.9 per 100,000 in the United States, 10.5 per 100,000 in Canada, 8.5 per 100,000 in the U.K., and 4.6 per 100,000 in Greece. When it comes to suicide, the scarcity of firearms in Japan does not seem to have had the effect you might expect." So instead of killing others, Japanese have a high incidence of killing themselves.
We had an article on that. You can research it. Working extra hours - like nearly non-stop, and neglecting family, is extremely stressful... especially when family problems ensue... among other things.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I watched a CNN cast condemn officers for not storming the classroom and taking out the gunman. One person even suggested those officers are not worthy to be cops, and should hand in their badge.
I watched the video - muted of course, since I didn't want to hear anything.
I think the first responders were not equipped either mentally, physically, or experienced enough to handle the situation.
The trained and equipped officers arrived 30 minutes later, and moved in a little after 15 minutes - no doubt after a briefing of the situation and planned action - taking out the gunman.
I think those CNN "experts" owe those cops an apology.
It seems many other people... including an ex chief of police agree with them.
What do you think... Would it have been wise for those cops to have stormed the classroom? What do you think might have been the outcome?

It's silly when laymen act like experts making such pronunciations. I have seen the videos and read up what ever I could, but I don't know what protocols the police have to go through and what they have been trained to do. These media guys can truly demonise human beings. It's good TV, but even the neighbours might call them murderers and devils. This happens all too frequently.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
It's silly when laymen act like experts making such pronunciations. I have seen the videos and read up what ever I could, but I don't know what protocols the police have to go through and what they have been trained to do. These media guys can truly demonise human beings. It's good TV, but even the neighbours might call them murderers and devils. This happens all too frequently.
The thing is, they do so without having all the facts. That's the sad bit.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We had an article on that. You can research it. Working extra hours - like nearly non-stop, and neglecting family, is extremely stressful... especially when family problems ensue... among other things.
Indeed. The stress put on the police is tremendous. Their families also must suffer. In this day, however, we unfortunately need police, but one day we won't. Every day there are reports of horrible crimes in the U.S. I can only imagine the jails are filled up.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The cops responding to active shooter situations, obviously. They go in, they don't wait. They started using that tactic after they screwed up the response to Columbine.
I would say they try to size up a situation instead of just walking in not knowing what and where they're going. I have friends that are teachers. They're not happy thinking that every day a madman with a gun could come in. And then it is impossible today to control many students, especially the younger ones. They can be violent and little is done to protect the teacher and others from a student's violence. Now teachers are being primed to think about having guns in the classroom. I wouldn't want a job as a teacher with a gun.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
They're supposed to immediately go in, not wait!
The guys you saw waiting were not the cops responding to active shooter situations.
They were the cops in the half a dozen cruisers chasing the suspect's truck.. They were not called in for the situation at the school.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
They're supposed to immediately go in, not wait!
When we went to Rome I saw police with machine guns ready all over the place. I was not used to that, it was scary. The police were at the airports and literally stationed at banks. Armed with machine guns ready to shoot. Perhaps you might think that should happen in the U.S. and schools. Maybe there's not enough tax money to pay for this, since many rich people pay less taxes than lower income people, some millionaires or billionaires pay very little. So maybe there's just not enough money to cover all the bases.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I would say they try to size up a situation instead of just walking in not knowing what and where they're going. I have friends that are teachers. They're not happy thinking that every day a madman with a gun could come in. And then it is impossible today to control many students, especially the younger ones. They can be violent and little is done to protect the teacher and others from a student's violence. Now teachers are being primed to think about having guns in the classroom. I wouldn't want a job as a teacher with a gun.
Yes, the regular traffic cops are to size up the situation, and deal with it with deadly force... if necessary ... without putting their life, and that of the public in danger.
They call in SWAT to deal with armed and dangerous felons.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And so? Why do you think that is? Furthermore, as I understand it, guns are not proliferating in Japan amongst the general public and sold to just about anyone, legal or not. As I look at things, there is so much violent thrill on tv. Why do you think that is? Do you think people love violence? Are thrilled by it?
Why don't they use other forms of violence? Violence in general is not common in Japan, and it is regarded as one of the safest nations on the planet.
And I do believe we, as people, do enjoy the vicarious violence of seeing it acted out in front of us. It doesn't matter if it's the wrestling of the WWF or a play of Shakespeare, people love, love, LOVE raunchy, lewd, violent mediums. It is absolutely no different with the ancient Greeks. The Romans took it too the extremes, but some societies have (and I would argue MMA too is an extreme). But these are very much looking to be the exceptions and not the norms, because Canada, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, places like them do have violent media but not have the violent people.
 
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