do you believe humans gets thinking from genies (spirits) who wins and gives you thinking

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you just make that up, or do you know the OP has mental health issues? Because if the OP doesn't . . . wow with your assessment.
Also, I'm addressing how these faiths in my opinion lead to delusion, not the OP's grammar or language barrier.

You're the one implying that the OP has mental health issues by bringing up "delusion", and claiming that certain religions foster such things. I didn't misread you at all.

 

[God Ahmed]

Etumalku don't you think we are talking on something which is understoodable by everyone specially by religious leaders.

 

[God Ahmed]

My mother younger is Urdu/Hindi mixed but I talk English nicely which is understood by everyone.

Even when god met me he talked to me in my mother younger anyways let's stick to topic to have a wonderful debate.

 

[EtuMalku]

You're the one implying that the OP has mental health issues by bringing up "delusion", and claiming that certain religions foster such things. I didn't misread you at all.

Delusion isn't necessarily associated with mental health issues, don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Delusion isn't necessarily associated with mental health issues, don't put words in my mouth.

Well, next time you attempt to insult, you should clarify further.

 

[EtuMalku]

Etumalku don't you think we are talking on something which is understoodable by everyone specially by religious leaders.

It may be understood, in general by most, but not everyone agrees with what is being said. Remember, this is a debate forum, not proselytizing forum

 

[EtuMalku]

Well, next time you attempt to insult, you should clarify further.

It's not my problem you don't comprehend what I say

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's not my problem you don't comprehend what I say

It's not my fault you don't want to own up to what you said. You still never clarified exactly what you meant. What "delusions" and how do the Abrahamic religions make them easier to foster?

 

[God Ahmed]

Why not ask the question directly from spirit or djinn or those who have one djinn or spirit they can answer you quickly what is truth like what the debate goes here. Since Abrahamic and other religions believe in eternal life and spirits and djinns.

Those god of any religion who ever says human sins needs to prove they are true.

The debate is getting interesting the more I prove truth.

 

[God Ahmed]

We are discussing here about what is real truth or what can be truth how humans gets thinking from which they do prayers and sins, because god never lies and god is always in purity so debate is finding out truth from the evidence that I provided here to be judged by humans and religious leaders what is truth or what can be truth seeing from human minds who knows that god exist who believes in eternal life and djinns.

 

[God Ahmed]

Don't forget to make judgment after finding truth. Life becomes easy by staying with winning.

 

[EtuMalku]

It's not my fault you don't want to own up to what you said. You still never clarified exactly what you meant. What "delusions" and how do the Abrahamic religions make them easier to foster?

If it needs explaining I suppose I can, but it will have to wait until I get home

 

[God Ahmed]

Did you understood what we are talking about here ?

In easy way I will tell you.

Do you believe your believe is true that you believe in God truly and your god exist but not just an illusion or evil.

My believe says humans gets thinking from Djinns and djinns says we give them thinking by believing in God from which humans do running and movement and think given from genies who makes there fate and puts the fate in stomach of humans so if human sins why god says human has sinned when Hz makes his fate to sin and god says he never let anyone do sin, did you get my point.

 

[sovietchild]

I believe that some of the voices that some people hear are the voices of Djinn. And some of these voices can guide to good things and victory.

I remember playing a game called Sims. I remember a voice was tell me "don't play it its a sin" never played that game again. Was it the djinn? I don't know but it sure scared me.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

My debate is here and its

Do you believe humans gets thinking from genies (spirits) who wins and gives you thinking on victory.

For example : you are in a religion and you get thinking of everything from that genie who gives you thinking upon how much you pray or if your life becomes bad because you did sins like when a genie (spirits) tries to give you happy life he sees if you true by seeing you prayed for god and he makes you rich and if some genie (spirit) who is against you who says you sinned upon your thinking says your life must become bad so 2 genies (spirits) one who tries to give good life and one genies (spirits) who tries to give bad life wins by seeing they are true upon your thinking who wins gives your life good or bad.

BUT

dont you think sins are forcely done by genie (spirits) to humans because there religion gives you thinking of good and bad.

IF

human have control on there thinking then they would have never sinned, dont you think that ?

Please debate, i am proving here to be sinless. Those who doubts on me doubts on god of universe.

Sayyyyyy what??

 

[EtuMalku]

It's not my fault you don't want to own up to what you said. You still never clarified exactly what you meant. What "delusions" and how do the Abrahamic religions make them easier to foster?

But that's not what I said, it's what you said that I said . . . and you are wrong.

A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.
The delusion I am referring to is; no form of divinity / deity / spirit is going to speak to you simply because IMO they don't objectively exist. The Abrahamic faiths propagate this nonsense and only add to the maddening dementia in this world leading to, more and more, instances of religious terrorism . . . and I'm not talking about just the current onslaught of Islamic, Judaic, Christian mayhem. There is a long history of chaos and delusion strewn among the Abrahamic faiths.

 

[EtuMalku]

Did you understood what we are talking about here ?

In easy way I will tell you.

Do you believe your believe is true that you believe in God truly and your god exist but not just an illusion or evil.

My believe says humans gets thinking from Djinns and djinns says we give them thinking by believing in God from which humans do running and movement and think given from genies who makes there fate and puts the fate in stomach of humans so if human sins why god says human has sinned when Hz makes his fate to sin and god says he never let anyone do sin, did you get my point.

Are you replying to me?

 

[RabbiO]

My mother younger is Urdu/Hindi mixed but I talk English nicely which is understood by everyone.

Actually, you don't.

It's not a character flaw, it's not a moral deficiency, but the truth is your English language skills are atrocious. Some of your writing here - and the writing you have done on your website promoting what you call "Believerism Religion" - border on the totally incomprehensible.

 

[crossfire]

Actually, this is a rather interesting thought experiment. Man from clay--objective mind. Djinn from smokeless-fire--subjective mind. Substance dualism. Subjective mind can be somewhat isolated from the objective world as it is of a different substance. (The subjective mind is what gives one sentience.)

Let me contemplate on that for a bit....

 

[Ahanit]

At first my english isn't very well too, so I am not sure if I get the original point, but after Crossfire was so nice to link it to a thread near by your theme I will give it a try..

I do not belive in sin nor do I belive in the excuse that others are responsible for what i am doing.
I am I, When I do something wrong it is my fault, not the fault af a Ghost, a God or a Djinn or another Person... I have done it, it was what I have choosed.

The question where our thoughts came from, where we get the abilities off, is another question, where I have to give a deeper look in my beliefs:

Mortal beings have 4 Parts which have to come together for creating a mortal live. The mortal body which is a vessel within the material world, The mortal Ba which is the Energy of life that bind the parts together, the immortal name and the immortal Ka which can be named as soul or higher Self.

Whithin the Ka we save our knowledge, abilities, experience when we are growing within mortal live. After our mortal parts have died, the Ka and the name can go to the Duat, or can choose to came back to Amduat to live a new mortal live.

When the Ka is again bound to a mortal being, there are borders so that the new being can not take an aware access to what is saved into the KA. There are people where the Borders are higher, and others where the borders are lower more permeable.
The nature of the borders are the why we have more or less unaware influence from old informations out of the Ka. They are shown as special abilities, Instinct, intuition.

If the borders are to low there can also be the appearance of forreign words come to your mind. I think that is what you name influence of Djinns. That are not the words of our actual aware mortal existance but from former existance of our Ka.

But Equal if you hear your older selfs or not. It is allways your decision what you are doing.... If you can not stand them look for help.
If your faith has no answers for you to fight back what you can not life with, than go to a doctor, there are Psychopharmaka which are able to build fake borders. They do not stand very long without being renewed with new pills, but they may help.