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Do you believe in more than one body than just the physical?
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Jaymes
The cake is a lie
I think there's "just" the body... any spirit or soul or whatever you want to call it is part of our body, IMO.
As for ghosts, dunno. I've never encountered something that was once alive and is now dead and without a body. I have encountered things not physically there, though I'd term them "spirits".
As for ghosts, dunno. I've never encountered something that was once alive and is now dead and without a body. I have encountered things not physically there, though I'd term them "spirits".
eudaimonia
Fellowship of Reason
No, I think the conscious human individual is a tightly integrated unity, not a collection of different sorts of bodies. We are more than the sum of our parts, and this is how we are able to be conscious, but consciousness is not a separate "body" -- it is the functioning of our biological body.
No, I don't believe in ghosts or disembodied spirits in any form.
eudaimonia,
M.
No, I don't believe in ghosts or disembodied spirits in any form.
eudaimonia,
M.
ate
New Member
Ok.
Jensa.
If you believe in a spirit or soul? Than you should rightly believe it is not the physical body correct? If it were the phsyical body, wouldn't it operate on the same levels and thus be detectable as a human body is to humans? So I am offering the fact that there are different bodies, for different types of existence. The physical human body is only the representative of the physical human life.
While there are other bodies, attributed to the emotional energy of human life, and the intellectual energy. The same energy as the phsyical, just on a more subtle level, so subtle that it's only detected in fiedls, or spans of energy waves, because the energy isn't slow enough to be detected physically, but our phsyical bodies.
So what I think is that we may have more than one body, just as a human exists in more than one areas of perception, and intereacts and learns from this world in very seperate manners for each body.
The physical is basic as everyone is aware of its existence.
Now what if, until you could learn to detect and become aware of these energies, because they're so subtle and so transparent and undetectable to us, by our phsyical body means, that you can't detect it until you have gained control of this subtle energy, through it's corresponding body.
The physical is the easiest and most apparent because it's the lowst level of existence, where things are slowed down and trapped in time, and you are seemingly disconnected from the source of all things, out here in a big vast void with rocks in it.
Yet because we can't operate on our higher bodies, the subtle ones, we can't detect the energy and thus the vibrations of an actual world which exists right in front of us. Where other beings, using only their energy bodies exist. Where reality itself seems to be made of quickly vibrating energy molecules of light. Pure consciousness.
Now, that's just what I think about the many dimensions of existence defined by the rate at which they vibrate. Physical things being, hard to push through, like solid rock, stopping things and being seperated and limited. With the higher vibrations just like sound does, passing through the physical solidity and extending beyond the span of the lower level, fully encompassing it and all others on it's level.
So I think there are different bodies for each level, and each level corresponds to a portion of the human life experience.
I say this because certain areas of your life, can be found to relate with particular levels.
An emotionally traumatic event, is percieved upon the level of subtl energies which act as emotions, guiding you, in a polar fashion through life indicating when the body feels emotionally good, on a level different than simply phsyical sensation.
retrorich, what if you could walk around in another body.
I say this, because I believe, that another body, this one made of stronger and higher vibrations exists other than the physical.
Called the soul, spirit, ego, other self, higher self, prana, chi, etc etc.
This is the body you utilize when you dream. When you so called dream, you enter a realm in which that body is active.
Because people are missinformed dreams are attributed to random musings, wishful thinking, or false memories.
When in fact there have been millions of reports from verifiable, sane, good-willed, and well spoken people, who have reported finding themselves in this higher body and in this world of light at which things vibrate quicker and information is send and recieved infinitely faster in,
OBE's, NDE's, dreams, visions, prayer, awakenings, ascensions, meditations, ritual, or any other activity that is considered mystic in nature, causing something other than ones physical self to evolve and expand in a higher dimension.
These things have been documented. But within our view of space and time, no one of these things can ever ever happen.
If they do, the entire system is a fault. So if all of them happen, then the system just collapses entirely under the weight.
I wish to explain more about this, but I first have to hear about what you think.
Jensa.
If you believe in a spirit or soul? Than you should rightly believe it is not the physical body correct? If it were the phsyical body, wouldn't it operate on the same levels and thus be detectable as a human body is to humans? So I am offering the fact that there are different bodies, for different types of existence. The physical human body is only the representative of the physical human life.
While there are other bodies, attributed to the emotional energy of human life, and the intellectual energy. The same energy as the phsyical, just on a more subtle level, so subtle that it's only detected in fiedls, or spans of energy waves, because the energy isn't slow enough to be detected physically, but our phsyical bodies.
So what I think is that we may have more than one body, just as a human exists in more than one areas of perception, and intereacts and learns from this world in very seperate manners for each body.
The physical is basic as everyone is aware of its existence.
Now what if, until you could learn to detect and become aware of these energies, because they're so subtle and so transparent and undetectable to us, by our phsyical body means, that you can't detect it until you have gained control of this subtle energy, through it's corresponding body.
The physical is the easiest and most apparent because it's the lowst level of existence, where things are slowed down and trapped in time, and you are seemingly disconnected from the source of all things, out here in a big vast void with rocks in it.
Yet because we can't operate on our higher bodies, the subtle ones, we can't detect the energy and thus the vibrations of an actual world which exists right in front of us. Where other beings, using only their energy bodies exist. Where reality itself seems to be made of quickly vibrating energy molecules of light. Pure consciousness.
Now, that's just what I think about the many dimensions of existence defined by the rate at which they vibrate. Physical things being, hard to push through, like solid rock, stopping things and being seperated and limited. With the higher vibrations just like sound does, passing through the physical solidity and extending beyond the span of the lower level, fully encompassing it and all others on it's level.
So I think there are different bodies for each level, and each level corresponds to a portion of the human life experience.
I say this because certain areas of your life, can be found to relate with particular levels.
An emotionally traumatic event, is percieved upon the level of subtl energies which act as emotions, guiding you, in a polar fashion through life indicating when the body feels emotionally good, on a level different than simply phsyical sensation.
retrorich, what if you could walk around in another body.
I say this, because I believe, that another body, this one made of stronger and higher vibrations exists other than the physical.
Called the soul, spirit, ego, other self, higher self, prana, chi, etc etc.
This is the body you utilize when you dream. When you so called dream, you enter a realm in which that body is active.
Because people are missinformed dreams are attributed to random musings, wishful thinking, or false memories.
When in fact there have been millions of reports from verifiable, sane, good-willed, and well spoken people, who have reported finding themselves in this higher body and in this world of light at which things vibrate quicker and information is send and recieved infinitely faster in,
OBE's, NDE's, dreams, visions, prayer, awakenings, ascensions, meditations, ritual, or any other activity that is considered mystic in nature, causing something other than ones physical self to evolve and expand in a higher dimension.
These things have been documented. But within our view of space and time, no one of these things can ever ever happen.
If they do, the entire system is a fault. So if all of them happen, then the system just collapses entirely under the weight.
I wish to explain more about this, but I first have to hear about what you think.
Flappycat
Well-Known Member
It doesn't seem to make much sense, but it sounds trippy. I think the human brain is weird enough by itself; let's finish working that out, and then we'll start on ethereal planes, auras, and time lapse photography, whatever they're talking about nowadays. I occassionally become convinced for a moment that I don't exist, but, curiously, being really tired seems to have a strong correlation with this, which, unsurprisingly, also has ties with symptoms of several rather mundane brain dysfunctions.
ate
New Member
Jensa said:
But you don't think that it could exist outside or away from the physical human body?
Of course consciousness is there, but do you think it is created by, or recieved by the physical body?
You think it is a product of the brain, no? Let me let you tell me.
Flappycat said:
Yes, it does sound wierd.
Ok, what haven't you figured out about the human brain?
Whatever who's talking about nowadays, and why would it vary from time to time?
How did you convice yourself you didn't exist?
Flappycat
Well-Known Member
I didn't say it was weird. You haven't seen weird until you've seen the effects of damage to the prefrontal cortex or loss of communication between one side of the brain and the other. If you really want to give me the willies, though, tell me the special names you have given to your favorite parts of your brain. That's too strange even for me.ate said:
It would be easier to list what I have managed to work out, which isn't much.
It's not something I do intentionally. I just occassionally get a very strong feeling that I don't really exist. It's kind of trippy.
ate
New Member
Jensa said:
But what happens if you take the cat.
It dies.
And then you can go somewhere else and see the same cat, fully alive, and conscious.
What if I can go to that place as well, and all humans or sentient beings have an active connection to it, so that the consciousness comes from the place.
While the brain only recieves infromation from it, and produces the consciousness of sensation. A lower consciousness. In which waves of impulsed and radiated energy comes to the awareness in the form of physical, sensual perception.
And the brain is what creates this. And without the brain you cannot have it locally.
So what if that was just the physical side of it.
While the emotional awarenes, the awareness of the self, really doesn't have anything to do with the brain, just as much as it's only a part of the whole, while the physical is the same, just a part.
Flappycat said:
I've seen and experience what you talk about.
fromthe heart
Well-Known Member
I can't say I entirely understand what you are saying but I know who I am isn't just flesh. I've known that since I was 4ish and had an out of body experience. I was drowning and rose up and saw myself(body) laying on the bottom of the creek and saw what my sitter and her brother and friend were doing and just as she yanked me out of the water I was once more back in the human vessel. I DO believe in Spirits good and bad...but because of my beliefs I don't dwell in much occupation in the spirit world...that is more on the dark side of life and I won't go there. As for having more than one body...nope don't believe that in the simplest form at all! I do belileve that, if God allows, your Spirit can come back if given a purpose to do so and you would be reccognized by those who knew you such as was the case with the Spirits of Moses and Elijah. I also do NOT believe in reincarnation...The Bible says it is appointed ONCE for a man to die.
ate
New Member
fromthe heart said:I can't say I entirely understand what you are saying but I know who I am isn't just flesh. I've known that since I was 4ish and had an out of body experience. I was drowning and rose up and saw myself(body) laying on the bottom of the creek and saw what my sitter and her brother and friend were doing and just as she yanked me out of the water I was once more back in the human vessel. I DO believe in Spirits good and bad...but because of my beliefs I don't dwell in much occupation in the spirit world...that is more on the dark side of life and I won't go there. As for having more than one body...nope don't believe that in the simplest form at all! I do belileve that, if God allows, your Spirit can come back if given a purpose to do so and you would be reccognized by those who knew you such as was the case with the Spirits of Moses and Elijah. I also do NOT believe in reincarnation...The Bible says it is appointed ONCE for a man to die.
Ok, this is good, you've had a wonderful experience, which now other people don't have and for this cannot believe the things you do, you have an expanded mind because of it.
Well, for the spirit world thing. Would you really want to disconnect yourself from your real home? While on vacation away at school?
Well, do you believe that we can learn the values and pass all the tests required by earth in one lifetime?
Do you believe that''s possible?
Would it be worth coming to earth if you only had one life to live? To make use of it?
How many people can learn enough to make use for it in one life?
Not that they have a bad self, and therefore deserve to waste their life if that's what they choose, but how many people do you think would actually be able to get everything done in just one go?
What do you think of the Tibetan Monks?
Opethian
Active Member
I can't say I entirely understand what you are saying but I know who I am isn't just flesh. I've known that since I was 4ish and had an out of body experience. I was drowning and rose up and saw myself(body) laying on the bottom of the creek and saw what my sitter and her brother and friend were doing and just as she yanked me out of the water I was once more back in the human vessel. I DO believe in Spirits good and bad...but because of my beliefs I don't dwell in much occupation in the spirit world...that is more on the dark side of life and I won't go there. As for having more than one body...nope don't believe that in the simplest form at all! I do belileve that, if God allows, your Spirit can come back if given a purpose to do so and you would be reccognized by those who knew you such as was the case with the Spirits of Moses and Elijah. I also do NOT believe in reincarnation...The Bible says it is appointed ONCE for a man to die.
If you smoke salvia, you can get an out of body experience too, which is just your subconsciousness playing tricks on you. It has nothing to do with there being something more to you than your body, it is just another effect of processes going on in the brain.
ate
New Member
Have you ever spoken to Salvia? I have to ask.
And what if you had an OBE, where you went, and saw something in a place you've never been before.
Then when you go there in the physical, what you saw in the astral was actually correct? What does that mean?
What about the bodies energy fields? Do they not compose the body as well? Are they not there when the body is alive, and gone when it is dead?
And what if you had an OBE, where you went, and saw something in a place you've never been before.
Then when you go there in the physical, what you saw in the astral was actually correct? What does that mean?
What about the bodies energy fields? Do they not compose the body as well? Are they not there when the body is alive, and gone when it is dead?