Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non living elements?

[SkepticThinker]

It's a good question, even atheists like Hoyle have been skeptical of such a spontaneous miracle, Dawkins acknowledges ID accounting for life as not only possible, but potentially verifiable scientifically were we to study it , (but of course this must be strictly verboten!!)

No, Dawkins does not.
This has been pointed out and demonstrated to you by several posters.

 

[viole]

Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non living elements?

If you walk back the Evolutionary theories to their beginning at some point you have to deal with this question.

Even if that first life in the form of bacteria came from some other planet hitched to an an asteroid or meteor you still have to get to the point of answering the question of how did that organism form.

If you do believe in spontaneous life then please tell us how that happened and evidence for that theory.

If not then please tell us what other mechanism could have produced that first life or theory for how it happened.

This is my discussion so any theory including religious and philisophical will be allowed.

I have no clue.

Do you? If yes, please present the evidence of your theory, if any.

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

I repeat:

No they are the same thing. They both claim inorganic elements can form organic life. Abiogenesis just says it take s a real long time before the poof and spontaneous reaction happens.

Yes, you keep repeating this bold empty claim ad nauseum.
Stop merely repeating the claim and start supporting the claim with something other than lies, insults, back peddling, bull ****, and more empty claims.
Until you can do that, you are merely losing what little credibility you had left.

cue the bull ****..

 

[Dante Writer]

Yes, you keep repeating this bold empty claim ad nauseum.
Stop merely repeating the claim and start supporting the claim with something other than lies, insults, back peddling, bull ****, and more empty claims.
Until you can do that, you are merely losing what little credibility you had left.

cue the bull ****..

You ave added nothing of substance to the discussion and just your usual immature trolling.

You will be ignored on this discussion.

If you want respect- start showing respect!

 

[McBell]

You ave added nothing of substance to the discussion and just your usual immature trolling.

You keep using that word, but have not shown you know what it means....

You will be ignored on this discussion.

Of course I will.
You cannot handle grown up discussions.
thus you must ignore the grown up parts.

If you want respect- start showing respect!

Again, you would do good to follow your own advice.

 

[SkepticThinker]

"an experiment done decades ago"

Yes and the fact that it took place in a lab under created conditions means anything that came out was intelligently designed not evolved.

I lean towards organic life somehow got to earth to start the process either accidentally or intentionally.

What they do is attempt to produce the natural conditions that could have existed on earth at the time and let it go from there, which doesn't mean that an intelligent designer is required.



But I'm wondering why you think something can't evolve if it's intelligently designed?

 

[leibowde84]

It isn't a bad question, though, semantics aside. Why aren't you answering it?

My answer is that it is far too premature to answer that question with any integrity. The best we have now are unsubstantiated hypotheses and speculation as to what "makes sense" to us individually.

In short, it is foolish to be confident in any answer beyond "we don't know yet".

 

[Parsimony]

You try to give people labels so you can either accept or dismiss their ideas without considering them. That is obvious from your posts.

Just to clear things up a bit on this one point, I was a strong intelligent design advocate for the majority of my life. So I both considered and accepted the idea for a while. I didn't accept abiogenesis at all and the only part of evolution that I accepted was microevolution. Now, I guess you could consider me an intelligent design advocate of a sort (in that I accept the idea of God starting the Big Bang as plausible), but I don't think evolution requires active interference from Him in order to "work". So there's my view.

 

[Milton Platt]

Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non living elements?

If you walk back the Evolutionary theories to their beginning at some point you have to deal with this question.

Even if that first life in the form of bacteria came from some other planet hitched to an an asteroid or meteor you still have to get to the point of answering the question of how did that organism form.

If you do believe in spontaneous life then please tell us how that happened and evidence for that theory.

If not then please tell us what other mechanism could have produced that first life or theory for how it happened.

This is my discussion so any theory including religious and philisophical will be allowed.

No, I believe abiogenisis is probably the correct theory, but.there is work to be done. Or is that what you were trying to refer to but could not spell it?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non living elements?

Would you mind offering a workable definition of 'spontaneous' and 'living'?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non living elements?

If you walk back the Evolutionary theories to their beginning at some point you have to deal with this question.

Even if that first life in the form of bacteria came from some other planet hitched to an an asteroid or meteor you still have to get to the point of answering the question of how did that organism form.

If you do believe in spontaneous life then please tell us how that happened and evidence for that theory.

If not then please tell us what other mechanism could have produced that first life or theory for how it happened.

This is my discussion so any theory including religious and philisophical will be allowed.

No, I do not believe that. In uncontrolled conditions? Scientists, who know just about all the components of living organisms, can't even do it under controlled conditions!

And there is a peer-reviewed article I read that discusses abiogenesis, describing how easy it could happen! LOL! (My question: Why don't we see it occur now, then?)

 

[Ouroboros]

No, I do not believe that. In uncontrolled conditions? Scientists, who know just about all the components of living organisms, can't even do it under controlled conditions!

Depends on what you mean with living organisms. Synthetic virus was created a long time ago, and synthetic DNA has been done as well (at least partial, it's just a lot of work, two years ago, I think).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_virology

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Depends on what you mean with living organisms. Synthetic virus was created a long time ago, and synthetic DNA has been done as well (at least partial, it's just a lot of work, two years ago, I think).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_virology

Of course I'm referring to self-replicating organisms.
Thanks for the source. And I'll google those for other articles.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Just to clear things up a bit on this one point, I was a strong intelligent design advocate for the majority of my life. So I both considered and accepted the idea for a while. I didn't accept abiogenesis at all and the only part of evolution that I accepted was microevolution. Now, I guess you could consider me an intelligent design advocate of a sort (in that I accept the idea of God starting the Big Bang as plausible), but I don't think evolution requires active interference from Him in order to "work". So there's my view.

Hold on....you call yourself 'Christian', but you don't believe in ID of life?! A Christian is a 'follower of Christ,' following what He believed. Please read Matthew 19:4-6....Jesus believed God created humans. I mean, he was there, he should know. (Genesis 1:26)

Now, you "accept the idea of God starting the Big Bang as plausible".....but not the complexity of life that can produce more life?

How did you change? Sometimes, people change their views when some bad, catastrophic event occurs to them. Did something similar happen to you?

Take care.

 

[Ouroboros]

Of course I'm referring to self-replicating organisms.
Thanks for the source. And I'll google those for other articles.

You mean synthetic genome that can replicate itself?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5543843/scie...-life---synthetic-dna-that-can-self-replicate

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You mean synthetic genome that can replicate itself?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5543843/scie...-life---synthetic-dna-that-can-self-replicate

This is fascinating! It will be tightly regulated, I bet.

 

[RRex]

Do you believe in spontaneous organic life from non-living elements?

I do, reason being that this has been done in a lab already.

I'm sorry I cannot cite the source, but I do remember reading about it within the last five years.

 

[Ouroboros]

This is fascinating! It will be tightly regulated, I bet.

Yes. I sure hope so. This can be very dangerous.

Luckily, it's not easy. At least not right now, but imagine with the advancing technology we have. 3D printers and scanners for cheap. What's next? DNA sequencers at 7-11, next to a pack of cigarettes? Or a genome modifier vending machine at the run-down motel outside town? There are great things to come, but also greatly terrifying things...

 

[Ouroboros]

I do, reason being that this has been done in a lab already.

I'm sorry I cannot cite the source, but I do remember reading about it within the last five years.

You're right, I remember something too right now. There was a spontaneous form of "life" that could transform sugar or whatever.

I will try to find the article.

 

[Dante Writer]

I have no clue.

Do you? If yes, please present the evidence of your theory, if any.

Ciao

- viole

I have presented that in other discussion you are welcome to read.

This topic was

I do, reason being that this has been done in a lab already.

I'm sorry I cannot cite the source, but I do remember reading about it within the last five years.

No- life has never been created from inorganic materials in a lab and only very simple amino acids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment