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Do You Believe Iran's Threats to Exterminate the Jews?

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Without copy and paste, nobody reads the link I provided earlier and debate the issues.
Here is another link only for those who are interested, but I presume Jewscout etc will not read this link:
Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Off The Map - Does He Deny The Holocaust?

An analysis of media rhetoric on its way to war against Iran - Commenting on the alleged statements of Iran's President Ahmadinejad .

By Anneliese Fikentscher and Andreas Neumann
Translation to English: Erik Appleby

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
The link was posted a few months back in another thread.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
04/19/06 "Kein Krieg!" -- -- - "But now that I'm on Iran, the threat to Iran, of course -- (applause) -- the threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel. That's a threat, a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace; it's a threat, in essence, to a strong alliance. I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally, Israel, and -- (applause.)" George W. Bush, US-President, 2006-03-20 in Cleveland (Ohio) in an off-the-cuff speech (source: www.whitehouse.gov) But why does Bush speak of Iran's objective to destroy Israel?
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
1) I do not think it contradicts Judaism at all...and, apparently, about 6 million or so of my brothers and sisters AT LEAST agree with me.
2) a jewish state that did not have the principles of Zionism would be a state w/ a very short life span.
3) i am not talking about extermination of the world's jews. I know this is not what he said, what i am saying is i do believe, regardless of the translation, his ultimate wish would be the elimination of a Jewish State, period. Such an event would only occur through the complete genocide of jews in that area.

The voice of the minority jews::p
http://www.nkusa.org/
November 9, 2006: Over ten thousand Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews gathered outside the "Israeli" Consulate in New York City to protest against the existence of the State of "Israel", the atrocities it perpetrates and against the "Gay Pride Parade" that was planned to take place in Jerusalem​

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.
There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.
No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.
Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.
Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.
We, the staff at www.jewsnotzionists.org are delighted that with the advance in media technology a substantial benefit to researchers, students, and the general public has been made available. We are elated at the advantage which the internet provides for the presentation of and accessibility to a position so widely held yet so deliberately ignored by many a Zionist-inclined medium.
It is our hope that the information presented on this site will be of benefit to all and that we soon merit the peaceful dismantlement of the so-called "State of Israel" and that Jewish-Muslim brotherhood be restored as prior to the arrival of the Zionist scheme on the global scene.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
YmirGF said:
*hand GreatCalgarian a Prozac*

Make it FIVE.

Thanks for junking up another thread with your rhetoric GC.

Google, google, google. The information is free for anyone who wishes to acquaint themselves with it. If anyone wishes to go to the President of Iran's official website and read his speeches for themselves they'll come away with less ignorant bias and more knowledge (of course one must assume that the English version has been doctored and sanitized; the message is still loud and clear). He is a liar who contradicts himself every time he faces West and then East.

Let's talk about Iran's Supreme Leader then shall we? Maybe I'll just start another thread about that guy. Love personified, really.

And no one yet has addressed Jerusalem Day activities and speeches, nor the extremist hate speech regularly spewing from Iran's state owned television, newspapers and radio.

Lies and obfuscations will only persist as long as people prefer to remain ignorant.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
Djamila said:
^ Neither is Iran. lol
I'm sure the concept is quite humorous to some.

The deadly serious reality is quite the opposite. I take the word of Iranian nationals seriously.


Iran Mullahs' Aim
By: Amil Imani (Iranian immigrant)
The world is presently at its most wicked. It is beyond human help. It requires only a nudge to implode and prepare for the divine ruler, the Saheb-ul-Zaman (the Mahdi, the Lord of the Age) to come and set it aright. It is the sacred duty and privilege of every Muslim to do all he can to hasten the death of the old world and the birth of the global Islamic Ummeh. Thus goes the thinking of Iran's ruling mullahs and their hand-picked president Mahmood Ahmadinejad.

*snip*...

It seems like the old millennialism thinking, (...) This time around, a group of believers with tremendous resources are intent upon forcing the issue, making the conditions so dire that it leaves the reluctant Saheb-ul-Zaman no choice but to appear and assume his universal reign.


...it is shortsighted to dismiss the mullahs as a bunch of lunatics who are out of touch with reality and that they have no intention of doing catastrophic mischief to compel the Mahdi''s coming.

Maybe some arming of the Iraqi Shiites, a little support for Hizbollah in
Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine but no, no major idiocy. After all, they are rational people and in touch with reality. Any large scale troublemaking spells their doom as well. Thus goes the rationalization, the greatest risky tranquilizer of the mind.

Rationalization, compounded by complacency and denial, can be deadly, particularly when the adversaries have different realities. To the fanatic mullahs ruling
Iran Sahaeb-ul-Zamanis an absolute reality and his promised advent is irrevocably ordained. This is their reality and their belief and they have every intention of leading their life according to them.

It is foolish for the non-Muslims to dismiss the mullahs and the Bin Ladens as a bunch of fringe lunatics who are going to go away simply by wishing it.

The Islamist reality is that the non-Muslims are the ones who deserve to be done away with; t
hey are the ones who have refused to submit to the summons of Allah for much too long; and, it is time for the faithful to get rid of them.

...

The cabal of fanatical mullahs ruling
Iran has lost its patience, not only with the unbelievers, but also with the Mahdi as well. They aim to force his arrival (...) by causing unprecedented death and destruction - conditions deemed essential for his coming.

*snip*...


... The Islamofascists don't believe in the notion of Live and let live. They believe that the earth is Allah's and it has been sullied by the heathens, the unbelievers and the kafir for far too long. Now that they have the means, they aim to make the world to their design and bring about the final solution, a nasty reminder of not too long ago Nazism.


Is this alarmist, or even hatemongering? You don't believe Muslims can be that intolerant and hostile toward non-Muslims and that they'll never go to the extremes? The nice Muslims you personally know are presently small minorities in alien lands.

They have to be nice, and they may indeed be nice. Yet, when the main force of Islam surges forward, these nice folks will either have to join it or be swept aside like the rest of the resisters.

 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Frankly Iran is far less of a threat than the US and the Moron-in-Chief.

Iran's president is a politician and an astute one, he speaks what he thinks his electorate wants to hear and he makes sure that he does not alienate the hard-core base of his power.

That aside, Israel has broken or ignored quite a few (well over 100) UN 'laws' over the last 50 odd years. It has waged wars of extermination against the palestinians, google Shatila & Sabra, see what that tells you.

The Israeli state was born in massacres, bomb attacks, the killing of innocent folk. Take the time to actually find out things rather than this scare-mongering against a state that, according to the CIA, does not have a viable nuclear weapons program.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Moon Woman said:
I'm sure the concept is quite humorous to some.

The deadly serious reality is quite the opposite. I take the word of Iranian nationals seriously.


Iran Mullahs' Aim
By: Amil Imani (Iranian immigrant)
The world is presently at its most wicked. It is beyond human help. It requires only a nudge to implode and prepare for the divine ruler, the Saheb-ul-Zaman (the Mahdi, the Lord of the Age) to come and set it aright. It is the sacred duty and privilege of every Muslim to do all he can to hasten the death of the old world and the birth of the global Islamic Ummeh. Thus goes the thinking of Iran's ruling mullahs and their hand-picked president Mahmood Ahmadinejad.

*snip*...

It seems like the old millennialism thinking, (...) This time around, a group of believers with tremendous resources are intent upon forcing the issue, making the conditions so dire that it leaves the reluctant Saheb-ul-Zaman no choice but to appear and assume his universal reign.


...it is shortsighted to dismiss the mullahs as a bunch of lunatics who are out of touch with reality and that they have no intention of doing catastrophic mischief to compel the Mahdi''s coming.

Maybe some arming of the Iraqi Shiites, a little support for Hizbollah in
Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine but no, no major idiocy. After all, they are rational people and in touch with reality. Any large scale troublemaking spells their doom as well. Thus goes the rationalization, the greatest risky tranquilizer of the mind.

Rationalization, compounded by complacency and denial, can be deadly, particularly when the adversaries have different realities. To the fanatic mullahs ruling
Iran Sahaeb-ul-Zamanis an absolute reality and his promised advent is irrevocably ordained. This is their reality and their belief and they have every intention of leading their life according to them.

It is foolish for the non-Muslims to dismiss the mullahs and the Bin Ladens as a bunch of fringe lunatics who are going to go away simply by wishing it.

The Islamist reality is that the non-Muslims are the ones who deserve to be done away with; t
hey are the ones who have refused to submit to the summons of Allah for much too long; and, it is time for the faithful to get rid of them.

...

The cabal of fanatical mullahs ruling
Iran has lost its patience, not only with the unbelievers, but also with the Mahdi as well. They aim to force his arrival (...) by causing unprecedented death and destruction - conditions deemed essential for his coming.

*snip*...


... The Islamofascists don't believe in the notion of Live and let live.� They believe that the earth is Allah's and it has been sullied by the heathens, the unbelievers and the kafir for far too long. Now that they have the means, they aim to make the world to their design and bring about the final solution, a nasty reminder of not too long ago Nazism.


Is this alarmist, or even hatemongering? You don't believe Muslims can be that intolerant and hostile toward non-Muslims and that they'll never go to the extremes? The nice Muslims you personally know are presently small minorities in alien lands.

They have to be nice, and they may indeed be nice. Yet, when the main force of Islam surges forward, these nice folks will either have to join it or be swept aside like the rest of the resisters.


So just how long have you studied Islam? How many Muslims have you actually spoken with? Have you researched Iran's history or the history of the US's meddling in the Me?

Or do you simply want to paint Shi'ite Muslims as terrorists?
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
I love pseudologic used to back up trendy ideas, it really makes me feel good inside that I have a strong ability to not follow the crowd. :)
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
kiwimac said:
So just how long have you studied Islam? How many Muslims have you actually spoken with? Have you researched Iran's history or the history of the US's meddling in the Me?

Or do you simply want to paint Shi'ite Muslims as terrorists?

The words you are referring to are not my own, they are those of an Iranian.

Please read and address the initial post and links before making claims of intolerance or bigotry. Muslims and my Muslim friends are not the issue here. Islamic terrorism, and the threat posed by the President of Iran, is. If you would like to address the OP please feel free, otherwise read the rest of the posts for context before making assumptions or insulting anyone.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
‡Ød¥‡ said:
Let me guess.


Next your going to tell me 'Yeshua' is the Jewish Moshiach :rolleyes:

Study those links I provided, and may be you will find your proper ywyw there:p

Moon Woman was not too happy about me hijacking this thread and changing the topics to Zionism discussion. So if you like to talk some more, start a new thread:
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html
The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism
G. Neuburger
Where the Torah tells about the creation of the first human being, the most prominent Jewish commentator, Rashi, explains that the earth from which Adam was formed was not taken from one spot but from various parts of the globe. Thus human dignity does not depend on the place of one's birth nor is it limited to one region.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Moon Woman said:
Make it FIVE.

Thanks for junking up another thread with your rhetoric GC.

Google, google, google. The information is free for anyone who wishes to acquaint themselves with it. If anyone wishes to go to the President of Iran's official website and read his speeches for themselves they'll come away with less ignorant bias and more knowledge (of course one must assume that the English version has been doctored and sanitized; the message is still loud and clear). He is a liar who contradicts himself every time he faces West and then East.

Let's talk about Iran's Supreme Leader then shall we? Maybe I'll just start another thread about that guy. Love personified, really.

And no one yet has addressed Jerusalem Day activities and speeches, nor the extremist hate speech regularly spewing from Iran's state owned television, newspapers and radio.

Lies and obfuscations will only persist as long as people prefer to remain ignorant.

Your frequent reference to MSM as a source of authority makes no difference to anyone doing google google and google. You have doubts about my source, I have questions about your quote. Not sure who is more ignorant.:D
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Okay, let us see what other people said about Iran President, other than the MSM painting him as a terrorist, a real threat to the West (America) democracy:
http://www.afsc.org/news/2006/DialoguewithIranianPresident.htm

AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE SEES NEW OPENING FOR DIALOGUE WITH IRANIAN PRESIDENT
Philadelphia — Mary Ellen McNish, general secretary of the international social justice organization, the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), was among nearly 45 religious leaders of various faith backgrounds who met with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to discuss the country’s current political crisis with the United States and the role religious communities can play to resolve it. The group spoke with the president on Wednesday, September 20, at his hotel near the United Nations.
“This is a beginning for open dialogue,” McNish observes. “The president was glad to meet. He was genuinely interested in further conversation with the religious community and engaging in a real discussion with the U.S. government.”
The Service Committee has worked for Middle East peace since the 1940s and is a co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for its humanitarian work. Grounded in the principles of the Religious Society of Friends, one of the historic peace churches, AFSC embraces the meeting with President Ahmadinejad as an opportunity to foster mutual respect and understanding among two societies that have viewed each other with mistrust.
“President Ahmadinejad welcomed a future opportunity for continuing dialogue with faith leaders that would focus on a religious basis for peace and justice,” McNish explains.
The meeting, which was organized by the Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) and the Quaker United Nations Office (QUNO), lasted about an hour. Religious leaders asked a set of questions about how religious communities can cooperate in a time of tension. In addition to McNish, officially representing AFSC were Paul Lacey, clerk of the Service Committee Board and Don McNemar, clerk of the Quaker United Nations Committee.
“In the United States, our viewpoint is shaped by the Iran hostage situation of the 80s,” McNish explains. “We fail to see that a flashpoint for the Iranian people is the oppression they suffered under the then-U.S. supported Shah of Iran. Following the Shah’s fall, the U.S. then supported Saddam Hussein and Iraq’s aggression against their country.”
Best known for launching massive programs to feed millions of starving children in post-war Germany, the American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker organization respecting the dignity and worth of every person. The search for Middle East peace has been a major focus of the Service Committee’s highly regarded international affairs work.
“I was encouraged by the president’s spirituality,” McNish concludes. “Expounding from his own faith tradition he spoke of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad as prophets and spiritual guides.”
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Of course some people would prefer to read Western MSM picturing him as:
Defying Expectations

Nevertheless, taking a close look at the one-year political record of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's president confirms the notion that he has in some ways defied the realities of politics. His decision-making, his literature, and even his fiery speeches are markedly far from any stereotypical political stance.
The fact is that in an extremely crucial period, Ahmadinejad, just an ordinary guy with no major political background has been thrown into Iran's political arena, where the spotlight soon caught some of his unexpected, un-thoughtful statements.
During his first political trip abroad, Ahmadinejad visited the U.N.'s General Assembly along with other world leaders. Upon his return to Tehran he was apparently so overwhelmed by his newly found importance in stepping out on the international stage, that made this strange statement in a private meeting with a religious scholar: "When I was addressing the leaders of the world, none of them could move their eyes off of me as if an invisible hand had hold them tight, they could not even blink. After the speech, one of the participants told me that while I was talking he saw a capsule of light surrounded me. I felt it myself too."
The private meeting was secretly filmed and widely distributed in Iran. It became the subject of speculation and concern among observers, and of course a matter of laughter among ordinary people. Ahmadinejad later characterized the whole event as a fraud, involving a tape which had been edited and dubbed.
In the year since his election, it is obvious that Ahmadinejad knows he is under the spotlight, and apparently enjoys being there.
http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/2417.cfm
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it? AHMADINEJAD: People in the world are free to think the way they wish. We do not insist they should change their views. Our position toward the Palestinian question is clear: we say that a nation has been displaced from its own land. Palestinian people are killed in their own lands, by those who are not original inhabitants, and they have come from far areas of the world and have occupied those homes. Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way. Do you have any other suggestions?
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
TIME: Have you considered that Iranian Jews are hurt by your comments denying that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust?
AHMADINEJAD: As to the Holocaust, I just raised a few questions. And I didn't receive any answers to my questions. I said that during World War II, around 60 million were killed. All were human beings and had their own dignities. Why only 6 million? And if it had happened, then it is a historical event. Then why do they not allow independent research?
TIME: But massive research has been done.</B> AHMADINEJAD: They put in prison those who try to do research. About historical events everybody should be free to conduct research. Let's assume that it has taken place. Where did it take place? So what is the fault of the Palestinian people? These questions are quite clear. We are waiting for answers.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
And the most recent news on WMD or Nuclear Weapon of Iran:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House dismissed a classified CIA draft assessment that found no conclusive evidence of a secret Iranian nuclear weapons program, The New Yorker magazine reported.
The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said the CIA's analysis was based on technical intelligence collected by satellites and on other evidence like measurements of the radioactivity of water samples.
"The CIA found no conclusive evidence, as yet, of a secret Iranian nuclear weapons program running parallel to the civilian operations that Iran has declared to the International Atomic Energy Agency," according to the article.
 
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