Do You Believe Iran's Threats to Exterminate the Jews?

[greatcalgarian]

I think I have posted enough Pro-Iran current government web link. Here is one that is sponsored by CIA, and may contain many supporting evidence as discussed by Moon Woman:
http://www.iran.org/

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/c2404.htm

 

[greatcalgarian]

And you may direct your question to the Ambassador:

On behalf of all my colleagues here at the Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations, I wish to extend a warm welcome to all of you who are visiting us at our web site. I hope you find this experience and the information rewarding and useful.
As a founding member of the United Nations, Iran believes deeply in the ideals of the organization and the purposes and principles of its Charter. The United Nations is the sole universal organization with the capacity to address issues of fundamental importance to the entire human family and move us all closer to a new global paradigm of understanding, sympathy, dialogue, cooperation and partnership.
Menaces that today threaten the international community are complex and varied. Yet all of them ranging from drugs, terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, to injustice, poverty and environmental degradation have one common ingredient. They recognize no boundaries of geography, power or affluence. They affect us all.
The recognition of our common vulnerability should lead to the realization of the need to work collectively in order to find common solutions for our common problems. If we had no institutions such as the United Nations, the exigencies of our time would have compelled us to build one. Now it is our task to build on the achievements of the past generation and leave a legacy of understanding and cooperation for our children.
Iran is committed to participate actively in the endeavors of the United Nations to face our common challenges and realize our collective potential. You will find some reflections of this commitment here on the various pages of this site.
We all look forward to seeing you again here. Please contact me or my colleagues at [email protected] if you have any questions or comments.
M. Javad Zarif, Ambassador and Permenant Representative
http://www.un.int/iran/

 

[greatcalgarian]

http://www.un.int/iran/facts_about_peaceful_nuclear_program.pdf

If anyone can point out any factual error in the above, I would be very much appreciated to learn more.

 

[!Fluffy!]

http://www.un.int/iran/facts_about_peaceful_nuclear_program.pdf

If anyone can point out any factual error in the above, I would be very much appreciated to learn more.

Sure we are all going to slog through a 59 page pdf file from the *gasp* United Freaking Nations.

What's your point GC? You've already MADE mine: that here is a man who says one thing to the West, and turns right around and says the exact opposite among his M.E. friends. He has no qualms about doing it.

Whatever the reasons for supporting Iran's agenda, your posting style here does little to promote mutual understanding, no disrespect intended. Sorry, but it just looks like another form of propaganda. Or graffiti. I just can't read or absorb it all, but maybe it's not meant to be absorbed, if it's meant to be a distraction then: Good job, lol. However it's become increasingly obvious the man's views and devious tactics are morally insupportable.


Tehran, Nov 10, IRNA: (Iran's state owned media)
"The man hunters whose hands are stained with the blood of millions of innocent people pretend hypocritically that they are worried about the people's lives."
Ahmadinejad emphasized, "Thanks God, our mighty nation relying on the grace of God, its strong will, and the culture of martyrdom and selflessness, would pursue its proud path resolutely, and no enemy can do a damn thing regarding our nuclear program."

The president said, "The free world nations are enthusiastically watching Iran's achievements, since the world nations favor the establishment of political systems based on justice, monotheism, and spirituality, and they are shouting that demand."

Ahmadinejad emphasized, "It is not merely the world Muslims that pursue the establishment of justice and the rule of monotheists in the world, since the entire mankind is after achieving those goals today."

The president pointed out that the establishment of justice in the society is faced with numerous obstacles, further explaining, "They create crises on the path of the establishment of justice, since those who have got used to looting the public properties know they would lose their interests once justice would be established."

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According to Agence France-Presse, October 20, Ahmadinejad said the following:
• Without a doubt, the Zionist regime would disappear and the Western powers should know that as of now, every government supporting the Zionist regime would see only the results of the hatred the people of the region [felt for them]. In addition, the rage of the nations of the region was boiling and the efforts to stabilize that regime of deceit had failed completely, praise to Allah. The Zionist regime, he claimed, had lost the rationale for its existence. [At the previous day's rally at Islamshahr Ahmadinejad noted that “the Zionist regime” was illegitimate and could no longer continue to exist.]

• He added that those warnings were an ultimatum to the Western powers , which should not complain they were not forewarned, saying very clearly that if the hurricane began, the West could rest assured that its dimensions would carry it beyond the geographic borders of Palestine . He also warned the West that the Zionist regime would drag its supporters into the abyss, and that their best solution would be to take all the elements of the Zionist regime and throw them away.
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Exposed: Extremist Propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8

(No I am not going to kid myself into believing you would even watch it, lol.)

Isn't it puzzling that the president of a country with oil reserves coming out its ears is getting so agitated and worked up about "nuclear power", er make that a "nuclear program" (his words).

Then there are Iran's Mullahs, and the Supreme Leader. Lots to talk about there, but that's another thread and it's late here. Tomorrow is another day, God willing.

 

[kiwimac]

Oh please!

I have studied Islam for well over 30 years. HOW LONG HAVE YOU?

Are you so naive as to truly believe THESE stories NOW have nothing to do with your loony Administration's desire to attack Iran? Did you learn NOTHING from the monumental pile of the dead and dying that is Iraq?

So it is Ok for you to post anti-iranian propaganda but anyone asking you to consider the opposing POV is wrong?

And as for

Sure we are all going to slog through a 59 page pdf file from the *gasp* United Freaking Nations.

Got a problem with the UN? Are you waiting until the comic-book version comes out?

My God woman just how many more people does the US have to kill before you Yanks are happy?

 

[jewscout]

The voice of the minority jews:
http://www.nkusa.org/

November 9, 2006: Over ten thousand Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews gathered outside the "Israeli" Consulate in New York City to protest against the existence of the State of "Israel", the atrocities it perpetrates and against the "Gay Pride Parade" that was planned to take place in Jerusalem​

CLICK HERE FOR DETAILS​

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.
There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.
No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.
Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.
Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.
We, the staff at www.jewsnotzionists.org are delighted that with the advance in media technology a substantial benefit to researchers, students, and the general public has been made available. We are elated at the advantage which the internet provides for the presentation of and accessibility to a position so widely held yet so deliberately ignored by many a Zionist-inclined medium.
It is our hope that the information presented on this site will be of benefit to all and that we soon merit the peaceful dismantlement of the so-called "State of Israel" and that Jewish-Muslim brotherhood be restored as prior to the arrival of the Zionist scheme on the global scene.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

o please. These people represent a minority in orthodox judaism.

it has already been determined that there is no halachic prohibition in creating a jewish state prior to the coming of the Moshiach not to mention they have been suckered into believing the myth of Muslim Interfaith Utopia.

 

[kiwimac]

Ah so what you are saying is:

We are right and they are wrong. Pardon me, if I don't simply accept your assertion.

 

[jewscout]

Ah so what you are saying is:

We are right and they are wrong. Pardon me, if I don't simply accept your assertion.

isn't that what they are saying?

 

[jewscout]

Study those links I provided, and may be you will find your proper ywyw there

Moon Woman was not too happy about me hijacking this thread and changing the topics to Zionism discussion. So if you like to talk some more, start a new thread:
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html
The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism
G. Neuburger
Where the Torah tells about the creation of the first human being, the most prominent Jewish commentator, Rashi, explains that the earth from which Adam was formed was not taken from one spot but from various parts of the globe. Thus human dignity does not depend on the place of one's birth nor is it limited to one region.

this is one interpretation of the verse from genesis from Rashi, the other is that man is formed from the earth at the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.

but that's off topic, as is much of your posts GC

 

[greatcalgarian]

this is one interpretation of the verse from genesis from Rashi, the other is that man is formed from the earth at the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.

but that's off topic, as is much of your posts GC

I do not think so. It started from whether Iran President wanted to 'wipe' out Jews, it then lead to Jews and Zionists and the difference between them etc, and then it follows the comment of the name of the Jewish God. One thing leads to another, out of my control.

 

[greatcalgarian]

o please. These people represent a minority in orthodox judaism.

it has already been determined that there is no halachic prohibition in creating a jewish state prior to the coming of the Moshiach not to mention they have been suckered into believing the myth of Muslim Interfaith Utopia.

It is no doubt a minority in the Judaism, not a minority in orthodox Judaism!

I am not expert in the interpretation. I am just quoting those web which I read and see the difference between what I considered as true Judaism as opposed to the current Israeli government proposed or practiced Judaism.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Sure we are all going to slog through a 59 page pdf file from the *gasp* United Freaking Nations.

What's your point GC? You've already MADE mine: that here is a man who says one thing to the West, and turns right around and says the exact opposite among his M.E. friends. He has no qualms about doing it.

Whatever the reasons for supporting Iran's agenda, your posting style here does little to promote mutual understanding, no disrespect intended. Sorry, but it just looks like another form of propaganda. Or graffiti. I just can't read or absorb it all, but maybe it's not meant to be absorbed, if it's meant to be a distraction then: Good job, lol. However it's become increasingly obvious the man's views and devious tactics are morally insupportable.


Tehran, Nov 10, IRNA: (Iran's state owned media)
"The man hunters whose hands are stained with the blood of millions of innocent people pretend hypocritically that they are worried about the people's lives."
Ahmadinejad emphasized, "Thanks God, our mighty nation relying on the grace of God, its strong will, and the culture of martyrdom and selflessness, would pursue its proud path resolutely, and no enemy can do a damn thing regarding our nuclear program."

The president said, "The free world nations are enthusiastically watching Iran's achievements, since the world nations favor the establishment of political systems based on justice, monotheism, and spirituality, and they are shouting that demand."

Ahmadinejad emphasized, "It is not merely the world Muslims that pursue the establishment of justice and the rule of monotheists in the world, since the entire mankind is after achieving those goals today."

The president pointed out that the establishment of justice in the society is faced with numerous obstacles, further explaining, "They create crises on the path of the establishment of justice, since those who have got used to looting the public properties know they would lose their interests once justice would be established."

-----------
According to Agence France-Presse, October 20, Ahmadinejad said the following:
• Without a doubt, the Zionist regime would disappear and the Western powers should know that as of now, every government supporting the Zionist regime would see only the results of the hatred the people of the region [felt for them]. In addition, the rage of the nations of the region was boiling and the efforts to stabilize that regime of deceit had failed completely, praise to Allah. The Zionist regime, he claimed, had lost the rationale for its existence. [At the previous day's rally at Islamshahr Ahmadinejad noted that “the Zionist regime” was illegitimate and could no longer continue to exist.]

• He added that those warnings were an ultimatum to the Western powers , which should not complain they were not forewarned, saying very clearly that if the hurricane began, the West could rest assured that its dimensions would carry it beyond the geographic borders of Palestine . He also warned the West that the Zionist regime would drag its supporters into the abyss, and that their best solution would be to take all the elements of the Zionist regime and throw them away.
---------------

Exposed: Extremist Propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8

(No I am not going to kid myself into believing you would even watch it, lol.)

Isn't it puzzling that the president of a country with oil reserves coming out its ears is getting so agitated and worked up about "nuclear power", er make that a "nuclear program" (his words).

Then there are Iran's Mullahs, and the Supreme Leader. Lots to talk about there, but that's another thread and it's late here. Tomorrow is another day, God willing.

Have you read the 59 pages?
You are saying that the Iranian ambassador is lying all the time while speaking at UN?
Would you not agree that US ambassador is also lying all the time while speaking at UN?
Or only Iranian ambassador lied and US ambassador speaks nothing but the truth? God blessed America then.
So you think all the senators, all the US politicians talk are what represent the US citizen? There are more 'extremist' US senators than 'extremist' Mullahs

 

[!Fluffy!]

Got a problem with the U.N.?

:biglaugh:



Anti-Israel/Anti-Semitic Discrimination

See also: Israel and the United Nations [28]
The United Nations has been accused of taking an extremely one-sided approach to Middle East issues and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.[29][30][31]. These charges allege that Israel has been singled out by the world body for uniquely critical treatment, such as its exclusion until recently from taking part in many of the UN's constituent bodies. Israel's recent permission to participate more fully within the United Nations still is limited the New York-based activities of the UN.
Censure and condemnation of Israel has become routine for the United Nations, while states such as Cuba, China, Libya, Zimbabwe and others largely escape criticism. Unlike all other refugee groups, the Palestinians have their own agency within the United Nations (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees) separate from the The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, which is otherwise responsible for global refugee crises. [32]

Oil-for-Food scandal

See also: Oil-for-Food Programme

 

[greatcalgarian]

What's your point GC? You've already MADE mine: that here is a man who says one thing to the West, and turns right around and says the exact opposite among his M.E. friends. He has no qualms about doing it.

No. I did not. Show me an official Iranian government statement that says the opposite to that said in the UN. Not those propaganda story written by the MSM to fool the western audience. If you can find a source (even if it is in Iranian, we can try to find our RF member who knows Iranian to translate for this forum instead of getting the translation from CIA) from the Iranian government, then only you have proven your point. There has to be some Iranian government paper that published what you quoted from the West MSM.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Whatever the reasons for supporting Iran's agenda, your posting style here does little to promote mutual understanding, no disrespect intended. Sorry, but it just looks like another form of propaganda. Or graffiti. I just can't read or absorb it all, but maybe it's not meant to be absorbed, if it's meant to be a distraction then: Good job, lol. However it's become increasingly obvious the man's views and devious tactics are morally insupportable.

Please try to read all the 59 pages with open mind, I beg you.:bow:

devious tactics? Morally insupportable?

 

[greatcalgarian]

Tehran, Nov 10, IRNA: (Iran's state owned media)
"The man hunters whose hands are stained with the blood of millions of innocent people pretend hypocritically that they are worried about the people's lives."
Ahmadinejad emphasized, "Thanks God, our mighty nation relying on the grace of God, its strong will, and the culture of martyrdom and selflessness, would pursue its proud path resolutely, and no enemy can do a damn thing regarding our nuclear program."

The president said, "The free world nations are enthusiastically watching Iran's achievements, since the world nations favor the establishment of political systems based on justice, monotheism, and spirituality, and they are shouting that demand."

Ahmadinejad emphasized, "It is not merely the world Muslims that pursue the establishment of justice and the rule of monotheists in the world, since the entire mankind is after achieving those goals today."

The president pointed out that the establishment of justice in the society is faced with numerous obstacles, further explaining, "They create crises on the path of the establishment of justice, since those who have got used to looting the public properties know they would lose their interests once justice would be established."

Source please

 

[greatcalgarian]

What's your point GC? You've already MADE mine: that here is a man who says one thing to the West, and turns right around and says the exact opposite among his M.E. friends. He has no qualms about doing it.

You are also assuming that Iranian people do not read the UN speech, or that speech is not available to the Iranian public.

Oh ya, I forgot, only the US citizens are free to read everything. In those dictatorial communist countries, no press freedom, and no way for them to read the US propaganda:yes:

Or perhaps US citizen has been so used to Bush telling them one thing one day and the opposite thing another day, and you are assuming that people in other countries also have the same type of leader US has. That must be it then, now I see your point.

 

[!Fluffy!]

No. I did not. Show me an official Iranian government statement that says the opposite to that said in the UN. Not those propaganda story written by the MSM to fool the western audience. If you can find a source (even if it is in Iranian, we can try to find our RF member who knows Iranian to translate for this forum instead of getting the translation from CIA) from the Iranian government, then only you have proven your point. There has to be some Iranian government paper that published what you quoted from the West MSM.

Well, how about some interesting news from Al Jazeera:

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

Ahmadinejad blasts US in UN speech Several thousand Iranian exiles meanwhile protested in front of the UN headquarters during the day, denouncing Ahmadinejad as a "terrorist".

Iran ignores UN call to halt enrichment
Speaking hours before the reported was submitted, the Iranian president said that no UN Security Council resolution could make Iran give up its nuclear programme.
"Those who want to prevent Iranians from obtaining their right, should know that we do not give a damn about such resolutions," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a rally in northwest Iran on Friday.

Iran says it may quit nuclear treaty
"We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries"

Iran suicide squads 'ready to retaliate'
Doctor Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said that 29 Western targets had been identified.

"We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran's nuclear facilities," he said in a speech, according to The Sunday Times.
He said that some of them were "quite close" to the Iranian border with Iraq.

The Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards was first spotted in March when members marched in a military parade. The force wore explosive packs around their waists and held detonators.


So. We all accept the fact that you support the President of Iran. We will have to agree to disagree GC. You have made your point repeatedly.

Respectfully, you have also made your views known on the Palestinian / Israeli subject which is really off-topic so please let others decide their own views as well and let it go or start another thread.

I say let's agree to disagree here. The back and forth has become monotonous and unenlightening.

It seems there is no middle ground.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Well, how about some interesting news from Al Jazeera:

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

Let me just say this: Al Jazeera is Western sponsored propaganda mouthpiece.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/55ABE840-AC30-41D2-BDC9-06BBE2A36665.htm

This is also Al Jazeera:
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20photo%20negatives/2004%20phot%20originals/May/index.htm

Do you see any difference?

If you bother to read both Al Jazeera, and not just watching the so called conservative not a journalist propaganda Yutube movie, you may be able to see the point of view from the Middle East nations, instead of the view the US government has been doing all the time trying to brainwash the citizen of US into supporting her mega new imperial neo con policy of dominating the world by brute force without respect or concern other people dignity, suffering etc.

 

[!Fluffy!]

I asked you to agree to disagree and you can't even do that. Why am I not surprised.


Your opinion regarding Al Jazeera is to be expected, GC considering your apparent inability to separate fact from fiction on this subject. Yet your claims are unfounded and unsourced.

AS to the two "informative" links you provided: :biglaugh:

Yes I can see the difference, one you hate, one you love. The first one is an actual news bureau, the second is a personal website, i.e.:

The first is the front page of Al Jazeera's website. So what.

The second is ONE GUY'S "Al JazeeraH" ripoff website, completely one sided (surprise!) and totally pro Palestinian anti Israel (shock!), highly inflammatory and filled with hubris and rhetoric so I can see why you like it.

WARNING to readers: Don't go there if you don't particularly enjoy viewing graphic pictures of bloody babies and dead Palestinian bodies.

I've tried to be civil but that last post shows you would rather be intellectually dishonest than to face the facts. Your posting style is a reflection of the entire premise of this thread. Your posts are all about denial, distraction, smokescreens, fingerpointing and mudslinging. Your posts are not about tolerance or finding a middle ground, or acknowledging perhaps your side has something to do with the conflict. No, it's all about blame, and your hatred and bias against Israel is transparent to everyone.

That's what the whole point of the OP was: Hate propaganda promoting bigotry, mindless brutality, and endless rage, is going to end up in another Holocaust.

That's why I'm asking nicely you post that kind of crap elsewhere. I for one am sick of it.