Do You Cling to Your Beliefs?

[SalixIncendium]

It's more 'what' I believe that gives me purpose.

I need to know what/if the purpose of all this is. I have found spiritual joy.

For example, being atoms moving around for a blink of reality hardly feels satisfying.

That makes more sense. Thanks.

I, personally, also find purpose in being atoms experiencing their existence in relative reality as well.

 

[Jollybear]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

Some beliefs are yet to be seen, some beliefs dictate your practice and practice will produce or not produce a result.

 

[Vinayaka]

Do you consider personal disciplines and/or dharma to be beliefs or a part of beliefs?

More practices I think. So I believe one must practice. Talk is naught.

 

[Shadow Link]

Do you hold your beliefs firmly?

Only the ones that were never meant to hold understandably.

 

[bobhikes]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

In my opinion and case. You can only get spiritual advancement and enlightenment with Truth. Truth requires the ability to question everything, if you can't question beliefs including logical ones you can never advance or find enlightenment. To advance means to understand more, you can only understand more with questions and truthful answers.

 

[9-18-1]

What is "belief"?

I would say it is any object acted upon: it therefor needs a form. For example, "believing" that there even is a god (in the affirmative: I "believe" in god) is immediately problematic if there actually is not one.

Nobody has been able to 'prove' there is one, and any such assertions that there is one are predicated on a "belief". Statements such as "I know (there is) god..." are immediately suspect.

Once 'god' has become an object, it has properties associated with it: ie. books, idols (ie. central figures, role models, patterns of conduct etc.) In the case of there being no god, "belief" in one is not a virtue at all. Because this possibility exists, "belief" in general is not a virtue as it is possible that "belief" itself is the obstacle to free humanity from the monotheistic monstrosity that perpetuates principle divisions (ie. "believer" vs. "unbeliever").

If "belief" were not a virtue, such a division would not exist.

This is another reason why "belief" is not a virtue.

 

[Deeje]

Beliefs not firmly held are not worth having IMO.

Christian beliefs today are under serious assault, so unless they are firmly held, you might as well throw them all away and spend your whole life worrying about tomorrow because today was pretty hopeless like yesterday.

I believe that if one does not have the courage of their convictions then they will be tossed about like a small boat in a big storm...they will never feel secure or at peace because they have no anchor and are easily swamped.

What is the point of spending your whole life aimlessly drifting?

 

[sayak83]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

I have no need to do any clinging. I do not cling to my skin either, it's around me naturally.

 

[Trailblazer]

My beliefs cling to me.
I've no choice in believing disbelieving as I do.
It seems there's an advantage not needing them.
I feel no threat from people who believe otherwise.

My beliefs cling to me.
I've no choice in believing as I do.
It seems there's an advantage needing them.
I feel no threat from people who believe otherwise.

 

[Trailblazer]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

I hold my beliefs firmly but I do not cling to them, and in fact they seem to cling to me...
I tried be an atheist once, it didn't work...

Most religious beliefs would be sufficient for my personal spiritual advancement since all religions teach the same spiritual truths; so no, I do not think that the Baha'i beliefs are necessary for my spiritual advancement. I do however believe that the Baha'i Faith is necessary for the spiritual advancement of humanity, because humanity will otherwise remain divided and a house divided against itself cannot stand forever.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

In this day and age I think religion needs to be focused on what is best for humanity instead of self salvation or become obsolete.

The world is but one country and mankind it’s citizens (Baha’u’llah)

 

[PureX]

In this day and age I think religion needs to be focused on what is best for humanity instead of self salvation or become obsolete.

The world is but one country and mankind it’s citizens (Baha’u’llah)

Most religions proclaim those to be one and the same goal. Unfortunately, once people get involved, those goals tend to become mutually exclusive.

 

[Revoltingest]

My beliefs cling to me.
I've no choice in believing as I do.
It seems there's an advantage needing them.
I feel no threat from people who believe otherwise.

It's like we share one brain!

 

[MJFlores]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

I hold on to my religious beliefs because:
My Jesus said, man shouldn't live by bread alone but by every word which God spoke Deuteronomy 8:3
My Jesus said, God's words could sanctify a man and making him holy John 17:17
My Jesus said, that anyone who looks on the Son and believes in him shall be raised to eternal life John 6:40

do I hold on my beliefs firmly?
As long as "my beliefs" are in accordance with the Bible, I will hold on to it firmly.
but if I find out that my beliefs are not in conformity with the gospel of Christ, I would drop it like a hot potato.

There is no such thing as spiritual advancement.
I would agree if there is such a thing as spiritual maturity. Hebrews 6:1

I believe this world is really going to end.
That is why I cling on to my salvation.
Maybe in less than 50 years, the whole thing will hit the fan.
So as they say:

John 10:9 New Matthew Bible (NMB)
I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be safe, and will go in and out, and find pasture.

 

[Audie]

Just curious, but -- if you are seeking "spiritual advancement, possibly to enlightenment" -- are you in the habit of clinging to your religious and/or spiritual beliefs? Do you hold your beliefs firmly? Do you see them as necessary for your spiritual advancement?

And if so, how do you figure that is helping you?

What is 'spiritual" to you?

 

[Sunstone]

What is 'spiritual" to you?

People are free to define that word any way they want, but to me, a person's spirituality is the manner and extent to which they deal with or manage their egos - or "psychological selves", as I like to call them. For instance, do they confuse themselves with their religion and take everything said about their religion "personally"? That sort of thing. That is to me their spirituality. How they deal with the fact humans have a self.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Most religions proclaim those to be one and the same goal. Unfortunately, once people get involved, those goals tend to become mutually exclusive.

I agree. I think that if religionists stuck to the original teachings that would not happen. However, once they handed over their souls and education to clergy who’s main aim was to keep their members then things like exclusivism and ‘only we are saved syndrome’ ruled the roost. Then the religion became more appeasement of ego than loving all humanity as equals.

I come across so called religious people often who have said they were told by their leaders not to make friends with other religionists for fear of becoming spiritual poisoned! This is a far cry from the teaching of Jesus Who said to love even our enemies . So the religion of God has been usurped by imposters teaching their own agendas not based on love and unity but on control. Leaders have poisoned the minds of their followers into believing in their own superiority and treating others with contempt.

The day we take back our religions by not listening to the clergy who have been using religion for their own selfish purposes is the day we will have peace and unity amongst us.

 

[Vinayaka]

So the religion of God has been usurped by imposters teaching their own agendas not based on love and unity but on control. Leaders have poisoned the minds of their followers into believing in their own superiority and treating others with contempt.

You honestly don't see it, do you?

 

[Trailblazer]

It's like we share one brain!

I think we do think alike.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think we do think alike.

You have my condolences.
It's all spiders, snakes, & gears inside me noggin.