Vrindavana Das;2897723]The word bhagavān is explained by Parāśara Muni: one who is full in six opulences, who has full strength, full fame, wealth, knowledge, beauty and renunciation, is Bhagavān, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead. While Kṛṣṇa was present on this earth, He displayed all six opulences. Therefore great sages like Parāśara Muni have all accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Therefore it is concluded in the Brahma-saṁhitā by Lord Brahmā himself that Lord Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. No one is equal to or above Him. He is the primeval Lord, or Bhagavān, known as Govinda, and He is the supreme cause of all causes:
īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ
anādir ādir govindaḥ
sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam
"There are many personalities possessing the qualities of Bhagavān, but Kṛṣṇa is the supreme because none can excel Him. He is the Supreme Person, and His body is eternal, full of knowledge and bliss. He is the primeval Lord Govinda and the cause of all causes." (Brahma-saṁhitā 5.1)
Sri Rama is an expansion of Supreme Lord - Krishna. It is like lighting one candle from another. The original candle is Krishna and the other candle is Lord Rama. Both are God. However, Krishna is the Supreme Lord (as also mentioned in the verse above by Lord Bramha).
Dear Friend, a lot of Scholars( Hindus) out there who don't agree with Rama or Krishna being god, True they are avatars but not got , I think there is a difference. And going by what I can read in this forum, not every hindu believe in Rama or Krishna although they respect him....
Krishna teachings are in Holy Gita but some twist the meanings, but what did Rama preach?And where his teachings r recorded? And by who a third person? Before or after his life? Thing I don't understand is where Vedas say that God can't be born, then what different in case of the avatars....Some people will say that you need to look into a broader perspective but the whole idea of God is so huge that non e can explain it. Its true people will have their own faith but then again they are not following the fundamentals or Vedas but their own made agenda.
Lets say Satya Sai Baba or Sai baba, some people do consider them as God, is this right?
The Formless Light you are referring to is called Brahm Jyoti. Many persons say this light is God, therefore God is formless, has no image etc.
This Brahm Jyoti is the light coming out from the body of God. Source of this Light is a person - the Supreme Personality of Godhead - Krishna.
The aim of Vedas is to know God and to engage in His loving devotional service - bhakti.
The same is declared in the Bhagvad Gita by Krishna as under:
sarvasya cāhaḿ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo
mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaḿ ca
vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo
vedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham
I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.
By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.[B.G. 15.15]
In Bhagvad Gita, Krishna declares:
yadā yadā hi dharmasya
glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya
tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion at that time I descend Myself. [B.G. 4.7]
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ
vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya
sambhavāmi yuge yuge
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.[B.G. 4.8]
This is the perspective from which you should try and understand the advent and pastimes of Lord Rama.
Lord Ram is God. You should not doubt this. He played the pastime of a human 'Maryada Purushottam' to please and attract the hearts of His devotees and to kill the miscreants - like Ravana.
Ravana was a scholar and a greatly learned man. He knew that Lord Rama is God. He also knew that he cannot worship God with his 'tamasi' body & nature, which is full of ignorance (like eating flesh, womanizing, wine etc.). He knew that if he kidnaps the wife of Ram - Sita, Rama will come and kill him. He wanted to die from the hands of Rama so that he gets liberation (moksha). Also, he got so many demonic persons (asuras) killed by Lord Rama and in the Lord's presence because all of them too would get liberation.
To say Rama was god, I just need some justification, just because some people believe it doesn't make it right. I am doing more research in the concept of God in Hinduism and will come back with more questions. from what I read in a lot of articles, it seems to me people are just trying to justify the god tag for Rama and Krishna cause otherwise it hurts their feelings which is understandable.
You are right. God does know better.
Lord Rama knew that Ravana will come to kidnap Sita. Thus, He had handed over Sita to Fire God - 'Agni'. Agni made an exact replica of Sita and gave to Lord Rama. It is this fake Sita that Ravana kidnapped (thinking her to be original Sita). After killing Ravana, to take back the original Sita, Lord Rama played the pastime of putting her to test (agni-pariksha). This way, he gave back the fake Sita to Agni and took from him the original Sita.
Do you mean the scriptures, all the great sages - Rishis, Munis, all of India who worship Lord Rama as God are fools?!! Do you know that Maharishi Valmiki wrote Ramayan even before Lord Rama came. Sorry friend, what you are saying is an absolutely incorrect understanding.[/QUOTE]
As I said, I will post some quotes from majority of scriptures (Vedas, Guru Granth) that talks about god and what it means....lets c but I need some time....
Thanks
