Do you feel you are being discriminated against? How?

[loverofhumanity]

You can choose to focus on that, or not. It clearly disturbs some minds. In many countries, and I'd like to think the vast majority, women get equal pay for equal work. In the last 50 yeas that had changed a ton, and it's sill changing. Not only that, but in many, where the woman is the caregiver, she gets treated with great respect. Yes, there is still work to be done, but it's better to do that work, than to sit back ands complain, in my view. Take your wife out for supper tonight.

It was her birthday yesterday and I spoilt her heaps!

 

[loverofhumanity]

You have a reputable source for that?

That's clearly a world wide problem, by country. The wealthier countries are all getting their citizens vaccinated first. Wealth distribution is an international challenge.

More than 85 poor countries will not have widespread access to coronavirus vaccines before 2023 - Economist Intelligence Unit

True that poorer countries are exposed to unjust wealth distribution. Maybe the WHO can help address this.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What is it you wish to debate?

Ways to address it individually and collectively.

 

[JustGeorge]

Just kind of reflecting, a person discriminating doesn't always hold a low opinion of the person. Sometimes we 'discriminate' against a person by giving them an elevated status, or another perceived status simply by the looks(or outward affiliations) of them. Sometimes this is in hopes of leveling things off if the person is a member of a group that often receives discrimination, but sometimes its just a product of our own preferences.

In my 20s, I was a member of a group that mostly attracted 50+(for age). I was often made uncomfortable by people asking "lets ask what a young person thinks! You're young and fun! What do other young people like yourself want?" How the heck should I know? "Please, I'm not as much fun as I look." became my mantra.

 

[Vinayaka]

True that poorer countries are exposed to unjust wealth distribution. Maybe the WHO can help address this.

It's world wide. Everyone is exposed to unjust wealth distribution. Are there no poor in Perth? There are 'have' countries, and 'have not' countries. You and I live in 'have' countries.

 

[Vinayaka]

Just kind of reflecting, a person discriminating doesn't always hold a low opinion of the person. Sometimes we 'discriminate' against a person by giving them an elevated status, or another perceived status simply by the looks(or outward affiliations) of them. Sometimes this is in hopes of leveling things off if the person is a member of a group that often receives discrimination, but sometimes its just a product of our own preferences.

In my 20s, I was a member of a group that mostly attracted 50+(for age). I was often made uncomfortable by people asking "lets ask what a young person thinks! You're young and fun! What do other young people like yourself want?" How the heck should I know? "Please, I'm not as much fun as I look." became my mantra.

We make amazingly weird assumptions about the rich.

 

[Vinayaka]

Ways to address it individually and collectively.

But that's not a debate.

 

[JustGeorge]

We make amazingly weird assumptions about the rich.

And sometimes the rich make strange assumptions about what less wealthy people want...

We have a wealthy friend whom I had to have a long conversation with that I didn't want a van replacement. It seemed unheard of to her that someone would be happy with something less than perfect and not right off the lot.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One definition of discrimination I came across says that:

Unlawful discrimination arises when someone is treated unfairly because of their age, disability, family/carer responsibilities, gender identity (including trans, transgender and gender diverse), homosexuality or other sexual orientation, marital, domestic or relationship status, race, or sex.
(Discrimination)

Do you believe you or your group are singled out, ostracised or discriminated against. It could also be based on wealth or lack of it.

How would you deal with being treated differently say by those of higher academic status? Being ignored or rebuffed. How should we deal with discrimination? Confront it, fight it, or just ignore it. Will it go away if we ignore it? How can we get rid of it?

Not any more. Not in ways that apply specifically to me, anyhow.

There was a period when I was considering a career change from engineering to teaching. Getting a full-time teaching job here in Ontario is difficult, especially if you aren't Catholic. These discriminatory hiring practices were certainly a factor in my decision to stick with engineering.

I don't regret my decision and these days, I'm quite happy in engineering, so this discrimination is affecting other people rather than me.

 

[Clara Tea]

One definition of discrimination I came across says that:

Unlawful discrimination arises when someone is treated unfairly because of their age, disability, family/carer responsibilities, gender identity (including trans, transgender and gender diverse), homosexuality or other sexual orientation, marital, domestic or relationship status, race, or sex.
(Discrimination)

Do you believe you or your group are singled out, ostracized or discriminated against. It could also be based on wealth or lack of it.

How would you deal with being treated differently say by those of higher academic status? Being ignored or rebuffed. How should we deal with discrimination? Confront it, fight it, or just ignore it. Will it go away if we ignore it? How can we get rid of it?

President W. Bush, like his father and Reagan, were made presidents by the Religious Right, and it is that mindset that has molded American morality and made it a biased nation. Blacks are beaten in the streets while being called the N-word (e.g. Rodney King)(Floyd strangled). Reagan had ordered UC Berkeley Vietnam war protestors to be beaten in the heads with billy clubs, and all they did was object to the harsh Communist-like rule that drafted young men into a war that they didn't deem right or just. They could have become conscientious objectors, and lose their freedom in prison (where young men with long hair are prized after dropping the soap), or they could have fled to Canada.

Patriot Act - Wikipedia

Link (Patriot Act....which isn't patriotic): When the US was under attack by terrorist Al Qaeda (also known as ISI and ISIS), President George W. Bush wanted to quickly protect Americas (some of whom were shuddering in fear, wondering if the next attack would kill someone that they love). This unprovoked act of war prompted W. Bush to push for the Patriot Act, because he didn't want law enforcement to be shackled by politically correct measures. At airports, W. Bush wanted Arab terrorists quickly identified. So, if we use politically correct means to hunt for Arab Terrorists, we must also hunt for a little blonde girl who is with her parents, flying across the country to receive a girl scout award. W. Bush wanted to focus on the Arab terrorist who is shouting "death to Americans" and sitting in his airplane seat lighting his shoe bomb on fire (by the way, that charred his crotch and didn't explode, and he was apprehended).

From my standpoint, the Al Qaeda won. Their purpose was to not only tear down the twin World Trade Towers, but to tear down America, itself. Tear down the fabric of American law that makes it special among all other nations of the world. Tear down the democracy and protections of rights, and make America into a tyrannical country that it has now become (akin to the old Soviet Union under its harshest dictator).

The war in Iraq killed about 1,000,000 Iraqis, and they had no link to terrorism or Weapons of Mass Destruction, or the other so-called Axis of Evil partners (North Korea nor Iran).

By killing a million (including innocent children and women and other noncombatants), Americans felt a bit safer. Is that what God tells us to do...."thou shalt not kill"....kill to feel a bit safer, though the enemy is not evil? "thou shalt not bear false witness"...call them the "Axis of Evil" and describe some of their leaders and military men as "doctor of death" or "doctor evil." Does God tell us to attack before we have a clear understanding of complicity in crimes against us? God wants us to be patient. God wanted us not to attack Iraq, while He (God) got the enemies for us....if you have faith, you'd let Him.

The Patriot Act is with us for good (there was no sundown clause, as requested by ancient senator Byrd). It was made to get the al Qaeda, but persists because it is handy against drug dealers (though, with covert phones, drug dealers are doing better than they ever have, and narcotic use is up all over America, and slimy underworld thugs are raking in money hand over fist, while addicting Americans.

Things were no better under President Clinton, who had appointed a drug tsar to supposedly stop drugs from the Medellin Drug Cartel of Colombia, South America and take power from Pablo Escobar's ilk.

Even Mexico is getting better at catching narcotics traffickers, as the arrest (two days ago, by Mexican authorities) of the wife of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman attests (El Chapo is the largest narcotics trafficker in the world).

American Indians still protest Whites taking their land.

Blacks protest their ancestors being kidnapped from Africa, brought to America against their will, chained, beaten, renamed, and removed from their culture and language, and working hard while their White masters played. Yet, America elected a half-Black president (Obama), not to mention half-Black Abraham Lincoln (illegitimate son of a slave and Mrs. Lincoln--as love letters and DNA attest).

Asians think that Whites flee from their neighborhoods, and there is little offered for Asian actors.

Hispanics feel discrimination, especially because of a wall at the border.

Some described America as a melting pot, where all races got along and all shared freedoms. Others described America as a salad, where various races preferred their own company so voluntarily segregated. Today, however, it is more like a toxic mixture of diverse cultures, snapping and snarling at one another.

Though religion was very much part of the problem, could religion be the solution, as well? Could religion heal the wounds and bind the nation as a cohesive whole, once again? After all, we are all God's children.

 

[Clara Tea]

You can choose to focus on that, or not. It clearly disturbs some minds. In many countries, and I'd like to think the vast majority, women get equal pay for equal work. In the last 50 yeas that had changed a ton, and it's sill changing. Not only that, but in many, where the woman is the caregiver, she gets treated with great respect. Yes, there is still work to be done, but it's better to do that work, than to sit back ands complain, in my view. Take your wife out for supper tonight.

Women don't get equal pay, but they earned the right to go dutch on dates and be the bread winner of families. It is more of a burden than a right.

Christianity asserts that women are property, and the woman must cleave to the man, and women must be seen and not heard.

I wonder if women would rule the world better, without testosterone driven wars? On the other hand, Hillary Clinton just threatened Russia with nuclear war, and this could be quite concerning and disconcerting to those who realize that Russia's Satan II missiles are far faster than anything (except sparse and expensive SDI beams that could shoot down unprotected rockets) that the US has in its arsenal. Ditto, the Chinese rockets fired over the heads of US forces in the China Sea were mach 10 (compared to the US mach 1 rockets).

 

[Clara Tea]

[In India, wealthy get COVID vaccines, while poor might not] You have a reputable source for that?

That's clearly a world wide problem, by country. The wealthier countries are all getting their citizens vaccinated first. Wealth distribution is an international challenge.

More than 85 poor countries will not have widespread access to coronavirus vaccines before 2023 - Economist Intelligence Unit

I've included articles that assert that wealthy nations are buying up COVID vaccines.

India’s Covid-19 Agonies Highlight Growing Rich-Poor Gap in Vaccinations

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Poor countries will have to wait for Covid-19 vaccine leftovers until 2023

‘Get Me Out’: Wealthy Flee India’s Covid Crises By Any Means

Vaccine inequality in India sends many falling through gaps

Rich countries block India, South Africa's bid to ban COVID vaccine patents | DW | 04.02.2021

We need to end COVID around the world so that it doesn't mutate, regardless of a nation's ability to pay.

If COVID mutated to travel through air, rather than hitchhike on spit balls (or snot balls), it might travel 50 feet, not just 6. It could also mutate to become more virulent.

If it exists anywhere in the world, we are all in peril.

By the way, the mutation of COVID is proof of evolution.

 

[Vinayaka]

This map shows the progress by county.
Tracking Coronavirus Vaccinations Around the World

Gee, whoda think it? Politics in a world health crisis.

 

[VoidCat]

Depends which group I am part of we are talking of that you want me to describe how they are discriminated against. Me being disabled, being asexual and panromantic, me being nonbinary, me being poor, being a religious minority or the fact I am assigned female at birth. Which you want me to dive into?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Depends which group I am part of we are talking of that you want me to describe how they are discriminated against. Me being disabled, being asexual and panromantic, me being nonbinary, me being poor, being a religious minority or the fact I am assigned female at birth. Which you want me to dive into?

Well, nobody suffers like the poor.

 

[Vinayaka]

Well, nobody suffers like the poor.

All depends on how you define poor ... starving, sure, but lots of money-poor people are rich in life experience. Many folks would think I'm poor but I feel rich.

 

[RestlessSoul]

All depends on how you define poor ... starving, sure, but lots of money-poor people are rich in life experience. Many folks would think I'm poor but I feel rich.

I’d say that if you are able to pay your bills and balance your accounts, then you’re not poor. By this definition, poverty isn’t having very little - it’s never having enough.

It’s an admirable trait, imo, not to place too high a value money. The only time I’ve ever really worried about it, was when I didn’t have any, and the rent was due.

 

[Link]

I believe the best way is to recognize it's unnatural and stems from Iblis and his dark magic that makes it appear natural and to take refuge in God.

To defeat vices of Iblis, we should become aware of them and take refuge in God.

 

[VoidCat]

I’d say that if you are able to pay your bills and balance your accounts, then you’re not poor. By this definition, poverty isn’t having very little - it’s never having enough.

It’s an admirable trait, imo, not to place too high a value money. The only time I’ve ever really worried about it, was when I didn’t have any, and the rent was due.

Then I guess I am not currently poor but have been in the past. I pay my bills barely through government assistance.

 

[Link]

And by the way, it seems freedom of religion is emphasized for the whole world by the world powers except Shiism. We are made into a boogeyman because we mixed our spirituality with politics (as did our Twelve Imams). We aren't also allowed to state all our views in the west either and are forced to do Taqiya.