james2ko
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1. I see you have an interest in continuing the discussion. It would help out tremendously if you address each point individually instead of making a blanket statement about all of them.
2. Matthew 7??? Can you be more specific?
3. Perhaps Jesus missed the memo..
4. That's correct. And only those who are converted, in this life, will be in the first resurrection. Those who witness the gospel and are not converted, due to satan's deception (Rev 12:9; 2 Cor 4:4), will die and later be resurrected at the end of the millenium or live through the end time events to inaugurate the millenium.
5. That's right. The first resurrection will consist of the just, immediately upon Christ second coming. The second, at the end of the millenium, which will consist of the rest of the dead (all who have died up until Christ's coming--Rev 20:5), they are categorized as unjust. Notice Paul simply states both groups will be raised. Other verses fill in the details of what will happen after both resurrections. The bible mentions a third but we will only focus on the first two in this discussion.
6. I do not remember seeing any verses that specify the time of day of any of the future resurrections.
7. Thought we discussed this in post #115, point 2 and 3?
8. Because that is what the context warrants. It is also one of the few verses in which most scholars are in agreement.
9. Forgiveness of our sins is a process. We must first believe in Christ's sacrifice (Heb 6:1, 11:6) Then we must repent from sin which is the breaking of God's law (Acts 2:38, 1 Jnh 3:4). We officially receive forgiveness of our sins after baptism (Acts 2:38).
10. That's correct. After we believe, repent, and are baptized, our sins are forgiven which will result in a clear conscience before God.
11. Yes, it is. A real resurrection of believers not unbelievers! Verse 5 is a conjunctive statement of verse 4:
12. Remember the context is referring to baptism to which only believers can partake. The whole chapter is clearly dedicated to living believers not dead unbelievers! In addition, how could the dead be freed from sin, if they never got a fair opportunity to believe, repent, and get baptized, which scripture indicates is the only way to be forgiven for our sins and its consequence---death?
13. Which death? The bible speaks of two. The first death was imputed to us due to Adam's sin, but the deeper meaning of this passage is often overlooked--could this not also refer to the second physical death--the one to which there is no resurrection (Rev 2:11; 20:6,14; 21:8)? Read the rest of this comparative phrase. Notice what it's comparing itself to--eternal life. The opposite of eternal life is eternal death (death without a resurrection) which would be more conducive to the definition of the second death. Paul is merely expressing the two fates each human being will ultimately face.
2. Matthew 7??? Can you be more specific?
3. Perhaps Jesus missed the memo..
John 17:14-15 I have given them [Christians] Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
4. That's correct. And only those who are converted, in this life, will be in the first resurrection. Those who witness the gospel and are not converted, due to satan's deception (Rev 12:9; 2 Cor 4:4), will die and later be resurrected at the end of the millenium or live through the end time events to inaugurate the millenium.
5. That's right. The first resurrection will consist of the just, immediately upon Christ second coming. The second, at the end of the millenium, which will consist of the rest of the dead (all who have died up until Christ's coming--Rev 20:5), they are categorized as unjust. Notice Paul simply states both groups will be raised. Other verses fill in the details of what will happen after both resurrections. The bible mentions a third but we will only focus on the first two in this discussion.
6. I do not remember seeing any verses that specify the time of day of any of the future resurrections.
7. Thought we discussed this in post #115, point 2 and 3?
8. Because that is what the context warrants. It is also one of the few verses in which most scholars are in agreement.
9. Forgiveness of our sins is a process. We must first believe in Christ's sacrifice (Heb 6:1, 11:6) Then we must repent from sin which is the breaking of God's law (Acts 2:38, 1 Jnh 3:4). We officially receive forgiveness of our sins after baptism (Acts 2:38).
10. That's correct. After we believe, repent, and are baptized, our sins are forgiven which will result in a clear conscience before God.
11. Yes, it is. A real resurrection of believers not unbelievers! Verse 5 is a conjunctive statement of verse 4:
"For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives. 5 Since we have been united with Him in His death, we will also be raised to life as He was." (Rom 6:4-5) NLT.
In verse 4, Paul states that baptism is symbolic of Christ's death, burial and resurrection as discussed in post #116 point 4. In verse 5, he simply goes on to imply after we are baptized and we physically die, we would also be resurrected to eternal life just like Christ was. These verses are further proof that in the NT, baptism is required for salvation! To say these verses cover the sins for those who died in times past, would be in direct contradiction not only to these verses, but many others.
12. Remember the context is referring to baptism to which only believers can partake. The whole chapter is clearly dedicated to living believers not dead unbelievers! In addition, how could the dead be freed from sin, if they never got a fair opportunity to believe, repent, and get baptized, which scripture indicates is the only way to be forgiven for our sins and its consequence---death?
13. Which death? The bible speaks of two. The first death was imputed to us due to Adam's sin, but the deeper meaning of this passage is often overlooked--could this not also refer to the second physical death--the one to which there is no resurrection (Rev 2:11; 20:6,14; 21:8)? Read the rest of this comparative phrase. Notice what it's comparing itself to--eternal life. The opposite of eternal life is eternal death (death without a resurrection) which would be more conducive to the definition of the second death. Paul is merely expressing the two fates each human being will ultimately face.