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Biblestudent_007

Active Member
What verse in the OT was Jesus quoting in John 7:38? As in "The Scripture has said 'out of his heart will flow rivers of living water'"?

John 7:38

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

I did a bible search on "living water" in the OT and there doesn't seem to be any relevant verses . .

Why would Jesus need to quote a verse from the OT since He is the Divine Teacher . .?

Perhaps it has something to do with water being symbolic of life . . ?
 
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tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

I did a bible search on "living water" in the OT and there doesn't seem to be any relevant verses . .

Why would Jesus need to quote a verse from the OT since He is the Divine Teacher . .?

Perhaps it has something to do with water being symbolic of life . . ?
So, although the passage says that Jesus is quoting scripture, there is no scripture that you know of that he is quoting from.

OK

Next question,
The various Bibles of 400 CE and the Bible today differ by dozens of chapters and thousands of parts. Which version is the True Word of God and why?
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
Next question,
The various Bibles of 400 CE and the Bible today differ by dozens of chapters and thousands of parts. Which version is the True Word of God and why?

The version that was translated from from the original language.

This involves scrolls,manuscripts, and other religious text.

Different religions have their own sacred texts . .

So, the Christian Bible has a particular emphasis because of John 1.1
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
The various Bibles of 400 CE and the Bible today differ by dozens of chapters and thousands of parts. Which version is the True Word of God and why?

The version that was translated from from the original language.

This involves scrolls,manuscripts, and other religious text.

Different religions have their own sacred texts . .

So, the Christian Bible has a particular emphasis because of John 1.1
Didn't really answer my question did you?
Since no known original letters and/or Gospels exist, are you saying that the only true Word of God is the Vulgate? Or perhaps the Coptic? Targum Onkelos? Aleppo Codex? Vetus Latina? :shrug:
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
Didn't really answer my question did you?
Since no known original letters and/or Gospels exist, are you saying that the only true Word of God is the Vulgate? Or perhaps the Coptic? Targum Onkelos? Aleppo Codex? Vetus Latina? :shrug:

I thought I answered it on the basis that the Christian Bible is the word of God. (Sacred Scripture)

The Christian Bible is composed of a list of canonical books which was given to us by the Church.

The issue of various translations/different religious texts is a matter of your own personal choice/scrutiny.

. . :shrug:
 

Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
I thought I answered it on the basis that the Christian Bible is the word of God. (Sacred Scripture)

The Christian Bible is composed of a list of canonical books which was given to us by the Church.

The issue of various translations/different religious texts is a matter of your own personal choice/scrutiny.

. . :shrug:

I have a question; how do you define the term "Christian"? I have a lot of Baptist relatives that say Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians. I have Catholic relatives that insist Lutherans, Hutterites, and the Amish aren't Christians. What does it mean to be Christian.?
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
I thought I answered it on the basis that the Christian Bible is the word of God. (Sacred Scripture)

The Christian Bible is composed of a list of canonical books which was given to us by the Church.

The issue of various translations/different religious texts is a matter of your own personal choice/scrutiny.

. . :shrug:
So your answer is the current Vulgate we have today sourced from Saint Jerome and other translators, as canonized by the Catholic Church in 393 CE.

Now, are you including the additions to Esther, the books of Tobit, Judith,the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, Baruch, the Letter of Jeremiah, the additions to Daniel and 1 and 2 Maccabees? As Canonized by the Catholic Church? Or Just the Holy Bible as approved by Luther?
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
I have a question; how do you define the term "Christian"? I have a lot of Baptist relatives that say Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians. I have Catholic relatives that insist Lutherans, Hutterites, and the Amish aren't Christians. What does it mean to be Christian.?

Basically, it means to believe the Bible as the Word of God and as a baptized believer in Jesus Christ.


  1. Acts 11:26
    and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
    Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Acts 26:28
    Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"
    Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Colossians 3:18
    [ Rules for Christian Households ] Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
    Colossians 3:17-19 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter)
  4. 1 Peter 4:12
    [ Suffering for Being a Christian ] Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
    1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
  5. 1 Peter 4:16
    However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
    1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
So your answer is the current Vulgate we have today sourced from Saint Jerome and other translators, as canonized by the Catholic Church in 393 CE.

Yes. Not just the Vulgate, but religious manuscripts (text) in Hebrew,Latin,Greek,Coptic etc.

Now, are you including the additions to Esther, the books of Tobit, Judith,the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, Baruch, the Letter of Jeremiah, the additions to Daniel and 1 and 2 Maccabees? As Canonized by the Catholic Church?
Yes, all sacred books which are considered divinely-inspired and canonical.

Or Just the Holy Bible as approved by Luther?
For that specific view you can read the Concordia.
 
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Biblestudent_007

Active Member
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Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
Basically, it means to believe the Bible as the Word of God and as a baptized believer in Jesus Christ.


  1. Acts 11:26
    and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
    Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Acts 26:28
    Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"
    Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Colossians 3:18
    [ Rules for Christian Households ] Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
    Colossians 3:17-19 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter)
  4. 1 Peter 4:12
    [ Suffering for Being a Christian ] Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
    1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
  5. 1 Peter 4:16
    However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
    1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

So you define a Christian as a baptized student of Jesus who must suffer for Christ and have a household ruled by a man...yes? If this is the case, then what happens if everyone else is a Christian and nobody persecutes anybody else because everyone has exactly the same belief? Are there any Christians in a world full of Christians? :) What if I were a homemaker father? Could I still be considered a Christian? Finally, if I were a Christian in every other sense of the word, but unbaptized, would you still consider me a Christian? Suppose there were a shipwrecked man stranded alone on an island who decided to convert to Christianity, would he be a Christian by your definition?
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
So you define a Christian as a baptized student of Jesus who must suffer for Christ and have a household ruled by a man...yes? If this is the case, then what happens if everyone else is a Christian and nobody persecutes anybody else because everyone has exactly the same belief? Are there any Christians in a world full of Christians? :) What if I were a homemaker father? Could I still be considered a Christian? Finally, if I were a Christian in every other sense of the word, but unbaptized, would you still consider me a Christian? Suppose there were a shipwrecked man stranded alone on an island who decided to convert to Christianity, would he be a Christian by your definition?

I would say so . .The world is a diverse place and there are different religions. You can also be a Naturalist.
 
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