Kennedy is out of office though, right?
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Do you have Religiophobia
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We Never Know
No Slack
It should be an exciting thread if those suffering from atheophobia and religiophobia can hammer out their differences?
They hammer each other all the time but no difference are settled. It just leads to more bludgeoning.
We Never Know
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Well..... Some Qanon folk think JFK jr is still living, hiding and just abiding his time to take over the presidency.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Violent religions needs addressing with mininuplative religions coming in second to be addressed.
But there's a sucker born every minute ....
We Never Know
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Woof! You nailed it!
Unresponsive to the thread's question.
We Never Know
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Really? Its stating its not just fear, its also dislike.
They gave their opinion and I gave mine. You can't cry "foul" because you don't like my opinion.
Which means I don't think its just fear.
Once we get that straight it is more clear.
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Yeah, but when people call you a religio-phobe I doubt what they mean to say is, "you have a legitimate fear of my religion".
What they are generally saying is, "you have an irrational fear of my religion".
Which is why I reject the label, because I do not have irrational concerns about peoples religions.
In my opinion.
There are religions (and religious people in the U.S. and elsewhere) that think people like me should be killed. I am decidedly against being killed, no matter how important it seems to some "loving" Christians.
There are religious people who think that a 10 year old girl, raped by a relative, should be forced to carry the resulting child to term and become a mother before she's even stopped being a child.
Anybody who does not at least recognize how dangerous, how wicked, religion can be, isn't paying enough attention.
There are religious people who think that a 10 year old girl, raped by a relative, should be forced to carry the resulting child to term and become a mother before she's even stopped being a child.
Anybody who does not at least recognize how dangerous, how wicked, religion can be, isn't paying enough attention.
If you could make religion's far right ride off into the sunset, taking all the secretive little cults with it, you're guaranteed my support.
I have to answer No too, given I am more irreligious than religiophobic. And given my belief that we can generally believe what we like as long as it harms no others, then I have no issues with religions apart from any negative affects perhaps produced. I don't have any particular belief as to them being necessary or as to them all dying out, and any phobia would be a rational one if I did have to live with any religion that caused me issues. And hence why I probably wouldn't ever live in any country where such might be an issue. Quite happy to live in a country having a great deal of tolerance and enough freedoms.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't think religion should be done with. Claims of objective authority, yes, but that is not just religions and how to do that, is another thread.
...and 25 in the senate! That is enough for a choir.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I think the DSM changed the definition of phobia from a fear of knowing you have that fear to a fear you may not know you already have. I cant remember when the change was made but it was maybe two decades ago. Thus, today it's found to be a fear we do not know we have. You will get many saying no by default, and those who say yes might not be actually phobic but just against or just anti religious.
This kind of research will need a hypothesis based on a quantitative study of some kind. And only then a quantitative study could be done. That's my opinion.
But you opened a great point to ponder. Thank you.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
It depends on what you mean by "religion." In the broadest sense of the word, I don't really have an issue with people believing in a God or gods or venerating that figure, nor do I want to censor the belief in an afterlife or rebirth.
I do have issues with organized religion. That is, communities who band together out of a shared cultural identity or institutions (like churches, mosques, synagogues, monasteries, etc.) with a hierarchical religious leadership.
The former tends to erase individual identity for the sake of collective majoritarianism, and it almost always ends up harming minority groups within that community and creating outcasts of those who can't (or won't) fully conform. At its extreme, it leads to things like xenophobia and ultranationalism.
The latter is outright abusive, because it's giving a select few the power to control those who are deemed underneath them in the hierarchy. It also leads to those in these institutions to reject responsibility for what they have chosen to do and value, placing the blame onto some religious figure or even a mythical one, which I think is self-destructive.
I'm not saying people can't gather with those who share similar values or interests, but they should be wary of these pitfalls. They're unavoidable in the majority of religious spaces I've seen, and so I think we're better off without those spaces.
I do have issues with organized religion. That is, communities who band together out of a shared cultural identity or institutions (like churches, mosques, synagogues, monasteries, etc.) with a hierarchical religious leadership.
The former tends to erase individual identity for the sake of collective majoritarianism, and it almost always ends up harming minority groups within that community and creating outcasts of those who can't (or won't) fully conform. At its extreme, it leads to things like xenophobia and ultranationalism.
The latter is outright abusive, because it's giving a select few the power to control those who are deemed underneath them in the hierarchy. It also leads to those in these institutions to reject responsibility for what they have chosen to do and value, placing the blame onto some religious figure or even a mythical one, which I think is self-destructive.
I'm not saying people can't gather with those who share similar values or interests, but they should be wary of these pitfalls. They're unavoidable in the majority of religious spaces I've seen, and so I think we're better off without those spaces.
Best friends are Christian, most of my family are Christian (of various flavours) and I like Christmas.
I'm not an anti-theist by any stretch. That doesn't mean there aren't certain aspects of religious belief, some impacts societally, or some specific dogma I don't find distasteful though.