Do You Recognize We're in a Time of Wickedness?

[QuestioningMind]

No matter how you want to cut it, it's still slavery, whether it's a few or all nations, it's still slavery. And those Nations which do not have slavery, If they do not have slavery, then why are they not denouncing slavery. If they are not denouncing slavery, are they going along with slavery.

So how many of those nations that don't have slavery, are denouncing those nations who have slavery ?

Yep, cut it any way you want, it's still wicked slavery. But we're not talking about whether or not there is ANY wicked slavery in the world. NO ONE claimed that wicked slavery has been completely abolished. The question at hand is whether slavery is MORE acceptable in today's society or LESS acceptable. Since it used to be that 9 out of 10 nations DID practice this wicked act and today 9 out of 10 nations DO NOT practice this wicked act indicates that today it is LESS acceptable, LESS prevalent, and thus we live in a LESS wicked society - not a WICKEDLESS society, mind you, just a LESS wicked society. Why is this such a difficult idea for you to grasp?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Any comments about the growing sex-trafficing, because such trafficing even goes on in small U.S. towns.

You mean sex trafficking which is illegal and is considered a vile act by most civilized societies? My comments are that I'm glad it's illegal and that as a society we've evolved to the point were we view it as an abhorrent practice, instead of accepting it as normal to treat women as chattel like we did just a short time ago in our history.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Aren we not always in a time of wickedness? Even when it looks like things are improving here there is always someplace else where things are getting worse. Wickedness is a natural part of the world so the world will always be in the state in some form or another.

According to Scripture, since the time of Cain we are in a time of wickedness.
Wickedness being a 'natural' part of the world will Not always be in some state or form or another.
Mankind left on his own would bring ruin to Earth, but as promised at Revelation 11:18 B God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. God will have Jesus step in and the executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16. The wicked will be destroyed forever as per Psalms 92:7.

 

[wizanda]

Well first you would to explain how exactly
Isaiah 1:18,19 can apply to everyone.
When it applys to the Sacrifices that Israel was doing,
Unless you believe those sacrifices are still being done by Everyone to day.

A Christian is covered in the blood of jesus.

In my opinion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Applies to everyone today because today scarlet sins, ones crimson's sins can also be white as snow and wool.
Being 'willing and obedient' is also a matter that applies today. Sure we are Not under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law, but Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 applies in connection to worship.
The Christian sacrifice of Matthew 24:14 involves being 'willing and obedient '.

I agree that 2nd Timothy chapter 3 and Romans chapter 1 is all about the end times of badness on Earth.
Jesus was referring to God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 at Matthew 24:14, and that takes place now and by Christians.

In chapter 24 of Matthew there are 'both' a minor and a MAJOR fulfillment.
The minor fulfillment of verse 19 was fulfilled when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem in the year 70.
The MAJOR fufillment of Matthew 24:21 is in connection to the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.

We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

As to how do you get Matthew 24:14 taking place now, when Matthew 24 is referring to the Tribulation, which is still future from us.

So how in what way is Matthew 24:19 connected to the Roman armies, when Matthew 24:19, happens during the Tribulation.
The whole chapter 24 of Matthew is about the Tribulation in the near future.

 

[Faithofchristian]

A Christian is covered in the blood of jesus.

In my opinion.

But what has that to do with Isaiah 1:18,19

 

[wizanda]

But what has that to do with Isaiah 1:18,19

Come now, let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet...

Isaiah 1:15 When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you. Yes, when you make many prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood.

In my opinion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Come now, let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet...

Isaiah 1:15 When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you. Yes, when you make many prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood.

In my opinion.

Look that of Isaiah 1:18,19, God speaking to his people Israel.and no one else.

 

[wizanda]

God speaking to his people Israel.and no one else.

Tho 'we are grafted onto the House of Israel'; that isn't us included?

In my opinion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Tho 'we are grafted onto the House of Israel'; that isn't us included?

In my opinion.

Isaiah 1:18,19, was way before we were grafted into the house of Israel. So it pertains to Israel only.

 

[blü 2]

when Yahweh said "Come, let us reason together" he was speaking to the believers of Israel.

If you had started at the beginning of Chapter 1, then you would have found Yahweh, speaking to those believers of Israel.As to how Israel was doing the sacrifices.

So your argument is that believing is seeing, and mine is that seeing is believing.

The trouble with your position is that you have no useful test for truth, so you have no way of telling whether what you believe is true or not. I take it that's why you're avoiding reasoned discussion ─ it'll bring such questions to the fore.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So your argument is that believing is seeing, and mine is that seeing is believing.

The trouble with your position is that you have no useful test for truth, so you have no way of telling whether what you believe is true or not. I take it that's why you're avoiding reasoned discussion ─ it'll bring such questions to the fore.

The sacrifices that Israel did had nothing to do with the Gentiles.

The Gentiles had nothing to do with the Sacrifices of Israel.

It's just people would have to show as to where the Gentiles participated in the Sacrifices of Israel.
From everything that I have read, I never found any where Gentiles participated in any of the sacrifices of Israel.

 

[blü 2]

The sacrifices that Israel did had nothing to do with the Gentiles.

The Gentiles had nothing to do with the Sacrifices of Israel.

That's to say, you're avoiding reasoned discussion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That's to say, you're avoiding reasoned discussion.

I'm not avoiding nothing, to have a reasonable discussion, you would have to show where the Gentiles ever participated in the sacrifices of Israel.

 

[bubbleguppy]

I am more or less in agreement. It's just low hanging fruit to fixate on one aspect of human behavior at the expense of others. It really tells us nothing beyond a simplistic narrative.

That's a fair statement.

 

[blü 2]

I'm not avoiding nothing, to have a reasonable discussion, you would have to show where the Gentiles ever participated in the sacrifices of Israel.

Why? What relevant difference would it make to anything?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As to how do you get Matthew 24:14 taking place now, when Matthew 24 is referring to the Tribulation, which is still future from us.
So how in what way is Matthew 24:19 connected to the Roman armies, when Matthew 24:19, happens during the Tribulation.
The whole chapter 24 of Matthew is about the Tribulation in the near future.

I have heard others say Matthew chapter 24 is just about the coming near future, and I have heard others say Matthew chapter 24 was just about the first century.

I find Revelation 7:14 did Not happen in the first century, and the first-century tribulation is Not the great tribulation mentioned at Matthew 24:21 because that great tribulation is such as was not since the beginning of the world......

In the year 70 the disgusting thing the ' abomination ' of Matthew 24:15 was the Roman Armies.
That ties in with what Jesus taught at Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-21, 24; Mark 13:14.
Whereas, Luke 17:26-30 applies to our day besides Luke 21:25-28 ties in with Matthew 25:31-33.

So, there is both a 'minor' and a MAJOR fulfillment in both Matthew chapter 24 and parallel Luke chapter 21.
The ' abomination ' in the MAJOR fulfillment will prove to be the United Nations.
Just as God used the Roman Armies to carry out His will in destroying un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70,
God will use the UN as His 'Arm of the Law' to carry out His will against un-faithful Christendom.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Isaiah 1:18-19, was way before we were grafted into the house of Israel. So it pertains to Israel only.

I find some verses apply to ancient Israel and to ' spiritual Israel ' ( which came into existence at Pentecost ).
So, instead of 'grafted in' just as Jesus said at Matthew 23:38 their religious house of worship is abandoned.
God was displeased with what they were doing at Isaiah 1:14 and please notice how similar at Colossians 2:16-18.
The now nation of Spiritual Israel has Jerusalem ' above ' as the seat of government as per Galatians 4:26.
Spiritual Israel is Not located on any map and has No boundaries or borders as per 1 Peter 2:9,5.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Tho 'we are grafted onto the House of Israel'; that isn't us included?
In my opinion.

I find according to Jesus at Matthew 23:38 that God abandoned that literal un-faithful House of Israel.
Since Pentecost the ' Israel of God ' is Now Spiritual Israel, the Christian Congregation - Galatians 6:16.
No longer earthly Jerusalem, but Jerusalem ' above ' is Now the seat of government - Galatians 4:26.
So, we can be ' grafted in ', so to speak, into the Christian Congregation no matter where we are located on Earth.
We can be part of that spiritual nation as per 1 Peter 2:5; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 2:28-29 by spirit .

 

[Faithofchristian]

I find some verses apply to ancient Israel and to ' spiritual Israel ' ( which came into existence at Pentecost ).
So, instead of 'grafted in' just as Jesus said at Matthew 23:38 their religious house of worship is abandoned.
God was displeased with what they were doing at Isaiah 1:14 and please notice how similar at Colossians 2:16-18.
The now nation of Spiritual Israel has Jerusalem ' above ' as the seat of government as per Galatians 4:26.
Spiritual Israel is Not located on any map and has No boundaries or borders as per 1 Peter 2:9,5.

As to where do you come by a spiritual Israel, There's no such a thing as a spiritual Israel.
Matthew 23:38, that's about Israel it's self, As to how do you get a spiritual Israel out of that?
That of Isaiah 1:14 has nothing to do with Colossians 2:16-18, both are in reference to two different things.
That of 1 Peter 2:5,9, is not about Israel.
Its about those that are coming to accept Christ Jesus, As newborn babes.

Had you started at the beginning of the Chapter and then read thru, and pick up what the subject and Article is about. You would have found out that it's about people coming to accepting Christ Jesus. And not about Israel.

If you had notice in Verse 2, it's about people like newborn babes coming to accept Christ Jesus as their Savior.
And has nothing to do with Israel.