Your Jedi skills at deflection won't work on me, bub.
I see irony here that standards of judgement are fickle.
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Do you support a Capitalist DIR?
- Thread starter Phil25
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I see irony here that standards of judgement are fickle.
Phil25
Active Member
I think it is high time that a Capitalist DIR is created. 13 users already approve it.
When the decision was made to change Christianity DIR from Blue to Green, only 7 users approved of it but still the mods went ahead with change.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/christianity-dir/138922-dir-rules-poll-christianity-dir.html
When the decision was made to change Christianity DIR from Blue to Green, only 7 users approved of it but still the mods went ahead with change.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/christianity-dir/138922-dir-rules-poll-christianity-dir.html
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oh heck, why not. Nuke the Amish DIR and make a Capitalist Only Dir. 
If Socialists can sit in their foxhole mooning on how good things could be, Capitalists should have a foxhole where we can talk about where to stick your money before Wall Street takes us down another Rabbit Hole.
That said, it might be very interesting to discuss what to do about Wall Street's insanity in a group setting that believes in the dream, but is getting tired of the nightmares.
If Socialists can sit in their foxhole mooning on how good things could be, Capitalists should have a foxhole where we can talk about where to stick your money before Wall Street takes us down another Rabbit Hole.
That said, it might be very interesting to discuss what to do about Wall Street's insanity in a group setting that believes in the dream, but is getting tired of the nightmares.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sort of how I feel about Socialism, but yes, I did get a chuckle thinking about just that. Then again, you would get to know how we feel.Can you imagine having to ask respectful questions about capitalism ? I mean, they (i.e. the respectful questions about capitalism) go against everything I stand for.
Can you imagine having to ask respectful questions about capitalism ? I mean, they (i.e. the respectful questions about capitalism) go against everything I stand for.
Then don't ask them questions. I'll look at what they post but not say anything because I'll end up fighting with them, being the vehement anti-capitalist and diehard red that I am.
My vote would be to call it:
"Topics Many People Oppose Other People Discussing -- Unless Mocking It -- Because They Strongly Disagree with It and Have a Lot of Trouble With the Thought of Other People Being Able to Freely Discuss Something They Oppose -- in a Place Where It's a Rule Violation to Mock People Having the Conversations, or the Subject They are Discussing."
Too long?
Since it's against the rules to mock them, does this mean that Sunstone is getting an infraction?
A wee bit long for my taste, but I'm sure Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck would like it. It seems to express their love of feeling persecuted.
As I've already stated, I don't see any harm in a Capitalist Only Forum.
It's very nice that you would attempt to personally discredit me and my point by bringing up Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as a diversionary tactic, but I'd have to say if either one of them thought that the post below was intended as a dig against the mental stability of anyone that would be a member of the DIR being discussed, I'd have to agree with them that was what was being communicated.
I don't think it's feeling persecuted, to acknowledge an insult in the way it seems intended. I think it's calling it how one sees it.
You might take note that you implied I have little or no tolerance for opposing points of view -- which implication had no justification since I was already on record as saying I could see no harm in a Capitalist Only forum. Now, if you want to blow my joke about looney bins way out of proportion, that seems to me to only reflect on your lack of humor. On second thought, maybe I hit uncomfortably close to what you yourself suspect to be the truth on that?
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I never saw a post from you on this thread saying you see no harm in Capitalist Only forum. Perhaps you could point it out to me.
You're partially right that I think your comment came uncomfortably close to what I suspect to be the truth, but not in the way I think you meant that statement. I think it's perceived as fair game to call people that disagree with you politically as "looney".
I love a good joke, when it's a joke and not a weapon.
I can just imagine what sort of reaction would have come about if people would have suggested other DIR locations be referred to as the "Looney Bin" during the polling discussions about it.
If enough people want a Capitalist DIR, then I support it. Going by the votes on this poll so far, I think there's a good number of members who want it, so I'm in favor of creating it for them.
We would have to discuss some things before finalizing the decision to create it, though, just as a standard procedure.
We would have to discuss some things before finalizing the decision to create it, though, just as a standard procedure.
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The first time I said it was early on in the very first thread Phil posted on this topic. You can find that statement here.
You presume that I meant my joke to refer to...who? You? Members of this forum? To the extent I was thinking about people, I had in mind folks like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and other politicians and pundits. But mostly I had in mind zombie capitalist ideas like voodoo economics, bond market vigilantes, imminent hyper-inflation, and other such claptrap ideas. I don't see any harm to a Capitalist Only forum, but I also don't expect it to be chock full of good sense and reasonable ideas, either. In fact, I can't wait until the first thread on why trickle down economics isn't really as discredited as nearly every scholarly study of it suggests it is. Hence, looney bin.
You seem to be attributing malice or something along those lines to me. Frankly, 4con, I consider you to be one of the most fair-minded people on this Forum, but I don't for a moment believe you're showing it this morning.
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Knight of Albion
Well-Known Member
Would have been nice to have a 'No' option....
Cool. But...I wasn't reading that thread, and now have only just seen that comment after you have said a couple of times that you said it. You didn't say it here. You only mocked the idea here.
I was responding to what you actually said here. I didn't go in search of other thoughts on other threads.
I "presumed" you meant your joke to refer to the people who would be a member of that DIR as being lunatics, if the subforum was labeled "Lunatic Bin, Only" as you suggested.
If one considers any other DIR, the title of the DIR is often a label members use for themselves. It's kinda part of how the DIR rules are applied, whether or not one self-identifies with the DIR label. I think you know that.
I don't really expect you to agree with the subject of the DIR. We disagree on politics a lot, and that's fine. What I took exception to is the mocking of it in this situation.
I don't think there are very many members of RF that are members of DIR's that would find it all that funny for their own DIR to be referred to as a "Looney Bin". Do you?
I think the members would take it personally, and I could understand why they would.
It came across to me as a malicious comment. It really did. There was nothing else from you about it on this thread, except a comment about a video.
It didn't even occur to me to go and search for other comments you've made. This thread got my attention because it was a poll and I thought I'd vote, but I saw that comment and it bugged me. I've seen similar comments before, but in this case it struck as an attempt to oppose open and diverse discussion by way of mocking those that would participate in such discussions.
I understand that you seem to think I've taken the matter too seriously. Maybe I have. I don't think so, but it's possible.
I think a lot of people here value your opinion, and for good reason -- you often have a lot of insightful things to say, and you make some of the best threads on RF. I also think that your joke about the Looney Bin very likely came across as intimidating to some people, who might not participate or voice agreement with having such a DIR, for fear of being considered supporting posting in "The Looney Bin". So I spoke. I know it's not a popular opinion that I'm expressing, but it is how I see it.
Aye, 4con, fellow running dog of capitalism!
A useful function of a capitalist DIR would be avoiding anti-capitalist wags turning discussions into Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck bashfests. There is too much confusion & conflation in leftish circles about capitalism, Xianity, conservatism, Republicans, fascism, & inhumanity. Just as feminists don't want to have every discussion be about their shortcomings, capitalists also don't need to be distracted by mockery & sanctimony of foes.
A useful function of a capitalist DIR would be avoiding anti-capitalist wags turning discussions into Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck bashfests. There is too much confusion & conflation in leftish circles about capitalism, Xianity, conservatism, Republicans, fascism, & inhumanity. Just as feminists don't want to have every discussion be about their shortcomings, capitalists also don't need to be distracted by mockery & sanctimony of foes.
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