Do You Support Republicans Calling for Trump to Keep his Promises?

[Nous]

According to a New York Times article:

More than a dozen Republicans -- from recognizable names like Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa and Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina to backbenchers like Representatives David Young of Iowa, Matt Gaetz of Florida, Walter B. Jones of North Carolina, Ted Yoho of Florida, Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey and Justin Amash of Michigan -- have agreed that Mr. Trump should release his returns.​

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/us/politics/tax-code-overhaul-trump.html?_r=0

And the Washington Post says:

Oklahoma may be Trump country, but that did not prevent James Lankford (R), the state's junior senator, from criticizing President Trump this week by saying he ought to “keep his promise” to release his tax returns.​

Even in red states, Republicans feel free to criticize Trump on his taxes and travel

So do you support these Republican representatives in their urging Trump to keep his promises to release his tax returns? I do. If you don't, why not?

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

Because he's a racist.


Oh, and also because he grabs chicks by the p*****.

 

[Nietzsche]

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

Because he's not as wealthy as he claims he is, and this would prove it. It would also show how utterly despicable he is as a business-man.

 

[columbus]

Because he's not as wealthy as he claims he is, and this would prove it. It would also show how utterly despicable he is as a business-man.

I don't think that's all there is to his reasons for lying about it. I think that the returns contain information that would provide leads into investigations that he desperately wants to avoid.
I believe that he has all kinds of secrets he can't afford to see the light of day. And the Republicans who resent a non party member in the White House know that. So they are orchestrating an investigation of his finances, starting with his campaign promises.
Tom

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I don't think that's all there is to his reasons for lying about it. I think that the returns contain information that would provide leads into investigations that he desperately wants to avoid.
I believe that he has all kinds of secrets he can't afford to see the light of day. And the Republicans who resent a non party member in the White House know that. So they are orchestrating an investigation of his finances, starting with his campaign promises.
Tom

I mostly agree with @columbus here, except the concept I turned red in his post.
Trump is a Republican through and through. He is the billionaire, fat-cat, elitist conman that IS the Republican "leadership", whom ignorant/misled citizens of the US vote for.

No. He's hiding a lot of info that would lead to his removal. Period.
Those politicians, and citizens who are centrist, and left, and even a few now on the right, are starting to recognize that the citizenry of the US has been fully and brutally hornswaggled. And they want answers and honesty.

...and a fair trial.....


....followed by a first class hanging.

 

[Mindmaster]

Because he's not as wealthy as he claims he is, and this would prove it. It would also show how utterly despicable he is as a business-man.

Hard to say who is worse, business men or politicians or people like him who are a combination of both.

I doubt his income/cash reserve is very valuable, but I think his net worth (via the properties he owns) is very high. It's hard to quantify luxury properties so easily as well, as there are few comparable (in contrast to residential property, where there are lots of similar buildings). The public at-large doesn't really understand this, and the mainstream media was being very deceptive with estimates of his property often low-balling them by less than half. Luxury properties are like all things, ultimately worth what someone will pay -- considering they are for sale. I'm pretty sure his net worth is at least two times what the media is pegging him at since his money is mostly tied up in these resorts/etc. I'd guess it's not $3.7B but probably closer to 8 because his real estate is in extremely premium locations. Regardless, 3.7B (quoted by Forbes) or 8-10 is irrelevant, I think we can agree he's "rich".

@Nous Anyway, just because he became the President doesn't mean the IRS isn't still auditing him.

@Daemon Sophic Since he hasn't really had the opportunity to screw things up yet (due to being in office such a short time), I'm pretty sure this is all premature. Anyway, everyone on this board was fine with it when Obama was massively screwing up they just have a problem when Trump _might_ be... lol

 

[Kemosloby]

I would say no, keep your taxes private president Trump. Even if you released them, and there was nothing wrong with them, the liberals wouldn't give you any praise for it. They would just go on to the next thing they think they can hang you on. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of liberal opinion, so just let them go suck air waiting for them to be released.

 

[metis]

It was actually Trump who bragged about his wealth and business dealings, so he's actually the one who brought this all on himself during the campaign. Therefore, he should put up or shut up, and I'd be perfectly happy if he just decided to do the latter. Fat chance of that, though.

What I am hoping for is that one of the investigating groups will subpoena his tax returns to see his business dealing during these Russia probes. It's become crystal clear that Trump is severely "truth-challenged", and it's bizarre that so many of his followers really don't seem to care, even going to the point of making lame excuses for him.

Based on what we are seeing, including new information that Eric Prince, brother to Betsy Devos, and one whom was involved with the Trump campaign, had a secret meeting with one of the known Russian spies earlier this year.

BTW, have you noticed that each of these men lied about not having Russian contacts, and then when it was established that they indeed did, now they won't say what these meetings were about. Suspicious, maybe?

 

[columbus]

I mostly agree with @columbus here, except the concept I turned red in his post.
Trump is a Republican through and through.

I do understand what you are saying here. I will expand on what I said a bit.
There is the rank and file Republican voters and then there is the Republican elite, the elite were referred to in the campaign as the GOPe.
The GOPe don't like the outsider poaching their power. But they had cultivated a base accustomed to a faux populist message and a certain flavor of alternative facts. So Trump could Trump them, because he can out lie and out media the GOPe. Now they want to get rid of him, or at least muzzle him. Because they don't stand for much of anything he stands for, despite his hostile takeover of their brand.
Tom

 

[Nietzsche]

Regardless, 3.7B (quoted by Forbes) or 8-10 is irrelevant, I think we can agree he's "rich".

That's the thing. He's such a vain **** that he inflates wealth despite the fact he's still stupidly rich.

 

[Mindmaster]

That's the thing. He's such a vain **** that he inflates wealth despite the fact he's still stupidly rich.

Personally, I don't understand it either. For either of us, that is simply an unfathomable amount of loot in the first place. Regardless, it's not going to drastically mean anything other than he's puffing a bit. I'd not saying it's lying so much as inflating a number which is nearly impossible to verify because of the type of holdings he owns.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I do understand what you are saying here. I will expand on what I said a bit.
There is the rank and file Republican voters and then there is the Republican elite, the elite were referred to in the campaign as the GOPe.
The GOPe don't like the outsider poaching their power. But they had cultivated a base accustomed to a faux populist message and a certain flavor of alternative facts. So Trump could Trump them, because he can out lie and out media the GOPe. Now they want to get rid of him, or at least muzzle him. Because they don't stand for much of anything he stands for, despite his hostile takeover of their brand.
Tom

Fair enough.

.........
@Daemon Sophic Since he hasn't really had the opportunity to screw things up yet (due to being in office such a short time), I'm pretty sure this is all premature. Anyway, everyone on this board was fine with it when Obama was massively screwing up they just have a problem when Trump _might_ be... lol

@Mindmaster Oh, he's done a LOT of really bad things so far, and it is only that he awakened the sleeping giant of the real majority in this country.....resulting in Republicans from top to bottom getting yelled at and actually questioned about their policies in town hall meetings across the nation.......only because we the people are speaking out against him, that he has not done MUCH worse things so far.
- click - for a partial list.

But all of that is utterly irrelevant next to his increasingly likely business dealings with the Russian government (amongst others), and aid from the Russian government leading up to his election as the POTUS.
If he's innocent, then just pop out that file folder and be done with it. No harm, no foul. Nothing to lose........unless he's guilty.

 

[Nietzsche]

Personally, I don't understand it either. For either of us, that is simply an unfathomable amount of loot in the first place. Regardless, it's not going to drastically mean anything other than he's puffing a bit. I'd not saying it's lying so much as inflating a number which is nearly impossible to verify because of the type of holdings he owns.

It's a frightening lack of strength of character, which would be bad enough on its own, but remember, this is the most powerful man on the face of the earth. His dick must be non-existent given how he goes around falsely inflating numbers associated with himself.

 

[Skwim]

Why, in your opinion, hasn't he released his tax returns?

Obviously, to me at least, they're quite damaging to him, and could possibly lead to impeachment. One doesn't hide something just for the fun of it.

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[jonathan180iq]

People who are honest are generally more transparent.
People who are dishonest are generally more secretive.

The two pages of "worthless" information from that 2005 return showed that he's not as wealthy as he claimed, not at all concerned about actually paying taxes, and not as good of a businessman has he would have you believe.

We can only assume that he wouldn't want to show any of this other returns for the same reasons.

 

[Mindmaster]

Fair enough.

@Mindmaster Oh, he's done a LOT of really bad things so far, and it is only that he awakened the sleeping giant of the real majority in this country.....resulting in Republicans from top to bottom getting yelled at and actually questioned about their policies in town hall meetings across the nation.......only because we the people are speaking out against him, that he has not done MUCH worse things so far.

Nothing is worse that Obama using his influence to get Hillary elected, nor is anything worse than him spying on the Trump campaign for her. This is Watergate level corruption, and nothing Trump has done has even been close. Russian ties and all of that nonsense are just that, at some level all elites are less than six degrees of separation from every other one. You can easily make some nonsense story up by doing this friend of a friend jazz, and that's still all it is.

Trump won, I hope he succeeds, but frankly every single President in my lifetime has disappointed me in some way. I don't expect much of a difference, but I'm happy with someone who seems to be less corrupted (though maybe a bit more full of it) in the seat. As long as the government is out of may way, I give less than a damn... I'm an anarcho-capitalist at heart, so both parties suck.

 

[columbus]

Nothing is worse that Obama using his influence to get Hillary elected, nor is anything worse than him spying on the Trump campaign for her.

Oh yeah. Selling out USA security to the Russian government is way way worse than that.
Tom

 

[metis]

nor is anything worse than him spying on the Trump campaign for her.

This has already been debunked by members of both parties in the House Intelligence Committee plus the FBI (Comey).

This is Watergate level corruption, and nothing Trump has done has even been close.

How could you possibly know that?

Russian ties and all of that nonsense are just that,

And how could you possibly know this?

This is why we have investigatory committees, and I do believe having an independent investigation is the best way to go as there's simply way too many people who think they already know the answers.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Nothing is worse that Obama using his influence to get Hillary elected, nor is anything worse than him spying on the Trump campaign for her. This is Watergate level corruption, and nothing Trump has done has even been close. Russian ties and all of that nonsense are just that, at some level all elites are less than six degrees of separation from every other one. You can easily make some nonsense story up by doing this friend of a friend jazz, and that's still all it is.

Trump won, I hope he succeeds, but frankly every single President in my lifetime has disappointed me in some way. I don't expect much of a difference, but I'm happy with someone who seems to be less corrupted (though maybe a bit more full of it) in the seat. As long as the government is out of may way, I give less than a damn... I'm an anarcho-capitalist at heart, so both parties suck.

Your second paragraph is understandable.
Your first however, has clearly left the boundaries of facts and reality. I guess you must utilize right-wingnut news.
Sorry to have bothered you.

 

[Mindmaster]

Your second paragraph is understandable.
Your first however, has clearly left the boundaries of facts and reality. I guess you must utilize right-wingnut news.
Sorry to have bothered you.

In deference to your use of leftist wingnut news? No, they're both wingnuts, and irrelevant. Someone isn't in opposition to your views just because they don't overtly agree with them -- that's called a persecution complex, and a psychological disorder.

The news talks about things that are happening, but I only care what is on the scorecard. When they start reporting that, I'll start caring. Until then, they can suck it -- the dinosaur media is dead.