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Do you support the death penalty?
- Thread starter Jumi
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McBell
Unbound
Source please.
I am ok with doing away with the death penalty, but I am not ok with the associated faith in government that seems to go along with it. Law is a practice not a science. Fine we can do away with the death penalty, but people are still going to be killed by the government. Killing is what governments are good at.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
And this the principles that separate the christian justice system that we in the west enjoy today , the element of revenge has been removed from the legal justice system.
Subjectively all built from Gods law , I walked from law college was sooo bbboorrringg however . Many other world justice systems still rely on an element of revenge in its reasoning . llq
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I am for the death penalty in theory, because I think it's acceptable to kill people for certain crimes. In my opinion, there are some things that are beyond forgiveness and regardless of whether it will be a deterrent or if there can be rehabilitation, some crimes are just so horrible that if someone commits them they simply don't deserve to live.
However, I am against the death penalty in practice, because I don't think any government or authority should have the power to execute their own citizens, even if wrongful convictions and other flaws in the justice system weren't a factor.
However, I am against the death penalty in practice, because I don't think any government or authority should have the power to execute their own citizens, even if wrongful convictions and other flaws in the justice system weren't a factor.
Sees
Dragonslayer
@Revoltingest -
If it was an open and shut case...i.e. good surveillance footage of a multiple homicide, being committed by a known violent felon who also pleads guilty - would you oppose the death penalty in that case?
If it was an open and shut case...i.e. good surveillance footage of a multiple homicide, being committed by a known violent felon who also pleads guilty - would you oppose the death penalty in that case?
In cases where I personally get to pass judgement, I'd be OK with it.
I'd even supply the weapon & pull the trigger.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
The case would be sat by profesionals specialists in such fields as many as 15 , after a guilty plea .
It is not reasonable to place such burden in the hands of an individual due to possible bias.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I do not support it, largely because it's based on an assumption that one cannot change. I would propose that many of us have changed since we were younger.
In a civilized country, there's simply no rational argument for it because there are other alternatives.
In a civilized country, there's simply no rational argument for it because there are other alternatives.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Most troops come home with trauma is not such an easy thing to do.
They're typically traumatized by having others try to kill them.
I plan on being the only one armed....so no danger to me.
In principle, I do: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/death-penalty-are-you-for-or-against-it.180487/#post-4453571
I think the victims or their families should have the right to call for them to be spared, though.
I think the victims or their families should have the right to call for them to be spared, though.
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Interesting. I find it strange that people would force themselves to forgive such a person.
What ideology gives you that mentality?.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Dang it...you keep posting my answers before I do....stop it!!!
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No. I am against it. I dont believe in taking a life period. No exceptions.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
The problem is that you only need to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt". Except for when someone is actually caught committing the crime, that leaves a lot of room for bias, and a lot of room for loosing your life because the other side had a more expensive lawyer. And even then, eye witnesses can lie for their own reasons. Once you kill someone, if you find out a mistake was made, how do you undo it? Unless we can guarantee 100% accuracy and fairness in the court system, the death penalty should not be used.
I also think that death is not really punishment. It ends the ability to punish.
Sees
Dragonslayer
Surprised that actually got so many support votes!
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Typically that part is not so traumatizing once you get over it , back to safe environment ,on the job agreed.
At home the conscience overwhelms , the smell of burnt flesh the smell of death remains .Soldiers of conscience is known form of lasting trauma .
And good for you fingers crossed the criminals don't arrive in an apache .
The idea of killing someone who deserves execution is no problem for me.....so long as they can't shoot back.