Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[interminable]

Designer without intelligence is impossible
An intelligent designer without information and knowledge is impossible
An intelligent knowledgeable designer without power is impossible
An intelligent knowledgeable powerful designer has a name it's called GOD

So it's better to reject the designer lest we prove the existence of God

 

[Godobeyer]

I think the problem is that you don't understand your question, because the words don't mean exactly what you seem to mean by them.
Design implies an intention. Random means no patterns. My body is not the results of either.
Tom

Result of what then ?

I think you believe in God, do you believe that He created you ?

 

[George-ananda]

I voted 'Yes, my body is designed'.

I think abiogenesis, DNA and evolution to a complex body like ours did not occur through only natural laws. I believe conscious intelligence was involved in these things (and everything).

 

[Godobeyer]

Designer without intelligence is impossible
An intelligent designer without information and knowledge is impossible
An intelligent knowledgeable designer without power is impossible
An intelligent knowledgeable powerful designer has a name it's called GOD

Agreed

So it's better to reject the designer lest we prove the existence of God

Sorry ,I don't understand this one, can you elaborate your idea ?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

We were not designed. We are a species that is still changing and will continue to change. We are a stage of evolution.

 

[Godobeyer]

We were not designed.

Life is complex, and body are complex,so for my opinion this is far than reality.

 

[Altfish]

Please speak for your-self

I was

 

[Valjean]

Why do people dismiss the mechanisms of change described in biology; mechanisms that are observable and produce testable results, for magic? Magic doesn't strike me as reasonable

 

[Godobeyer]

Why do people dismiss the mechanisms of change described in biology; mechanisms that are observable and produce testable results, for magic? Magic doesn't strike me as reasonable

That's observation ,biologic is not magic , who start it in first place,give life " origin of life".

I made a thread before about challenge, if ALL human gatthered to creat a fly"insect" they could not.

 

[Valjean]

That's observation ,biologic is not magic , who start it in first place,give life " origin of life".

I made a thread before about challenge, if ALL human gatthered to creat a fly"insect" they could not.

Why does there need to be a "who" at all, when all the steps necessary to create the diversity of life we see around us are already understood?

The mechanical steps needed to create flies have already been described and observed. Injecting an unnecessary magician into the debate strikes me as violating the Occam's razor principle

 

[Godobeyer]

[hy does there need to be a "who" at all, when all the steps necessary to create the diversity of life we see around us are already understood?

Because life, and our bodies not simple as you try to explain.

The mechanical steps needed to create flies have already been described and observed. Injecting an unnecessary magician into the debate strikes me as violating the Occam's razor principle[

That's human science not (and wouldn't) reach that level to creat a "fly"

 

[Valjean]

Because life, and our bodies not simple as you try to explain.

But complexity does not necessarily require magic. The mechanisms of evolution, given time, are more than sufficient to account for life's complexity.

That's human science not (and wouldn't) reach that level to creat a "fly"

Why not? It took Nature millions of years and millions of small, trial-and-error steps to create a fly.
I'm sure we could do the same, in the laboratory, given enough time and funding.

 

[Kirran]

But it's seems that your body is designed to live and eat , and walk ,speak ,....etc

Body is designed by God then created by God.

I see no harm or insult to call God is Designer and Creator of everything.

Where is the problem on this? :
God design His creation (life,animals ,humans ...), then He created it.

It's like design car, then made it.
That's probably logical and make sense.

To respond to both, I don't think there's God up in the clouds sitting there designing and creating stuff. God's Creation isn't separate from God. We move within God just as we move within air.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Looking around on your average beach, if people's bodies are designed, then the designer needs to go back to art school.

 

[Godobeyer]

But complexity does not necessarily require magic. The mechanisms of evolution, given time, are more than sufficient to account for life's complexity.

How much time I said "evolution" had nothing to do with origin of life?
"Give it name" I don't buy it anymore.
life is complexity is fact.

Why not? It took Nature millions of years and millions of small, trial-and-error steps to create a fly.
I'm sure we could do the same, in the laboratory, given enough time and funding.

Will never.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I'm assuming that by "designed" you mean intentionally designed.

No, I'm the product of natural selection, like every other life form -- excepting pretty cyborgs like Sunstone, of course.

There is clear evidence of the processes that produced me.
There is no evidence of any alternatives.
Incredulity and ignorance of the mechanisms of natural selection don't count as evidence.
Folklore, tradition and scripture don't count as evidence.

Have you ever designed something yourself?

 

[Godobeyer]

. God's Creation isn't separate from God. .

Who said God creation is seperated from God ! , me ?

 

[Valjean]

How much time I said "evolution" had nothing to do with origin of life?

When did we start talking about origins? I thought we were talking about evolution.

"Give it name" I don't buy it anymore.
life is complexity is fact.

I'm not sure I follow...
We all agree that life is complex. I'm just saying that the complexity can be understood and explained without the need of a magical Creator.

Have you ever designed something yourself?

????
What's your point? I don't follow.

 

[Godobeyer]

When did we start talking about origins? I thought we were talking about evolution.
.

It's weird.

When I asked about how life started, you said "evolution".

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Have you ever designed something yourself?

????
What's your point? I don't follow.

You avoided the question.
My point will become clear after you answer the question,
specifically:
What is the most complex thing you have ever designed?