Do you think "Sucubbus" mythology has some impact on our society today?

[Lars]

I think if one has to give in to sucubbus mentality

"20 dollars 1 day each month for sexual service"
or "sex 1 year, 1 day"

That way you wont be broke. But i guess i was just thinking of this when i watched the joke video on Simpsons. Get it? Simp. And Simpsons hehe.

But Simp is more a insulting term for someone who overvaluates females to the point where their own life quality suffers.

Sucubbus is more the idea of someone sucking the life out of you, often in shape of beautiful beings. So i am more believer in "A little sucubbus is fine" so i dont believe in extreme religious narrative that you should put it in the closet... but too much exposure to it is probably gonna be bad.

Lets for argument say that someone argues that "Consent makes it ok" would you say thats a terrible argument? Since i think reason why you cant let people be sexually promiscuous is because then you feel less trust worthy. If you are single thats different, but married or with someone, thats like backstabbing is why i think its a bad idea.

But what do you think?
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[AlexanderG]

Whatever its mythological origins, the succubus has been used by Christianity to literally demonize female sexuality, and vilify sexual behavior in general.

I think that without the overwhelming messaging to impose guilt and shame on people for enjoying their bodies and indulging their human desires, sexuality in the Western world would be much more healthy, safe, and fun for everyone. As it is, we're bombarded with advertising that encourages and exploits sexuality, paired with cultural norms that shame and discourage it. It's a quagmire of contradictory messages, with the sexual liberation on one hand and the ancient religious practice of men wanting to control access to women's sexuality on the other hand.

Bleh. But anyway, consent is a good rule of thumb.

 

[Lars]

Whatever its mythological origins, the succubus has been used by Christianity to literally demonize female sexuality, and vilify sexual behavior in general.

I think that without the overwhelming messaging to impose guilt and shame on people for enjoying their bodies and indulging their human desires, sexuality in the Western world would be much more healthy, safe, and fun for everyone. As it is, we're bombarded with advertising that encourages and exploits sexuality, paired with cultural norms that shame and discourage it. It's a quagmire of contradictory messages, with the sexual liberation on one hand and the ancient religious practice of men wanting to control access to women's sexuality on the other hand.

Bleh. But anyway, consent is a good rule of thumb.

Well i think the mythology is good, but used to the extremes where you just have to deny who you are is where it goes too far. Because sex drive operates differently in humans. But point is, there is a difference between shame.... and also spending so much money on it that your life quality suffers from it. Though taste itself can be subjective. Like i bet some hate Fifty Shades of Grey, and some hate Game of Thrones "I find both horrible" but... Pirates XXX, now that is for me XD

But point is. There is a middle ground is all i mean. But often when i hear people argue "But its fine if its consensual"... problem is if it affects culture and morale outcome of it. Like some could argue burning people at stake is fine if people consent to it, or canibalism. Like i dont think just because people consent to something, that automatically makes it ok.

If its harmless then i consider it atleast not a problem

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

But point is. There is a middle ground is all i mean. But often when i hear people argue "But its fine if its consensual"... problem is if it affects culture and morale outcome of it. Like some could argue burning people at stake is fine if people consent to it, or canibalism. Like i dont think just because people consent to something, that automatically makes it ok.

Being sex positive isn't burning at the stake or cannibalism, though. If it is, then man, has the sex I had been different than that.

 

[Lars]

Being sex positive isn't burning at the stake or cannibalism, though. If it is, then man, has the sex I had been different than that.

So if someone manipulates you? Then what? Well it was consensual. Its ok right

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

So if someone manipulates you? Then what? Well it was consensual. Its ok right

How would they manipulate me exactly? I'd need an example or analogy to work with.

 

[Lars]

How would they manipulate me exactly? I'd need an example or analogy to work with.

Well, you know drug right? Is it ok if you consent to it? Addiction and manipulating people etc

Now if you have a boyfriend/girlfriend. All good news to them. But then there is environment or that type of stuff that seems to be more about manipulation which leads to bad news

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Well, you know drug right? Is it ok if you consent to it? Addiction and manipulating people etc

If I take drugs by choice, it's on me.

 

[Lars]

If I take drugs by choice, it's on me.

I guess its culture on that one. But i always compared potheads to low energy hipster culture in America from 2013. Cant say i am a fan. But manipulation culture i aint fan of.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Now if you have a boyfriend/girlfriend. All good news to them. But then there is environment or that type of stuff that seems to be more about manipulation which leads to bad news

No, I think not legalizing drugs leads to greater bad news.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I guess its culture on that one. But i always compared potheads to low energy hipster culture in America from 2013. Cant say i am a fan. But manipulation culture i aint fan of.

Things were pretty good in 2013, actually.

 

[Father Heathen]

I wonder if many of those tend to shame sexuality are actually incels who only do so out of envy and resentment.

 

[AlexanderG]

Well i think the mythology is good, but used to the extremes where you just have to deny who you are is where it goes too far. Because sex drive operates differently in humans. But point is, there is a difference between shame.... and also spending so much money on it that your life quality suffers from it. Though taste itself can be subjective. Like i bet some hate Fifty Shades of Grey, and some hate Game of Thrones "I find both horrible" but... Pirates XXX, now that is for me XD

But point is. There is a middle ground is all i mean. But often when i hear people argue "But its fine if its consensual"... problem is if it affects culture and morale outcome of it. Like some could argue burning people at stake is fine if people consent to it, or canibalism. Like i dont think just because people consent to something, that automatically makes it ok.

If its harmless then i consider it atleast not a problem

I'm generally a moral subjectivist, but the most compelling version of an objective moral system that I've heard defines immorality as "any involuntary imposition on someone's will." If your actions would harm someone else, or directly cause an effect that they don't want, then there is a moral component. So yes, freely giving consent is king when it comes to moral actions, whether sexual relations or anything else.

You seem like you're trying to come up with extreme, outlandish situations where consent would break down as a principle, but I don't really see a problem. If someone wants to be eaten after they die, and other people are willing to eat them, then where's the harm to anyone? Same goes for assisted suicide, etc. Different people consent to different things, too, so just be aware and ask first. This isn't too difficult.

 

[Lars]

No, I think not legalizing drugs leads to greater bad news.

Depends. Pushing it in peoples faces means low energy hipster culture. And everyone will listen to Adele Hello and Beatles. The horror of that culture would be worst punishment enough

 

[Lars]

Things were pretty good in 2013, actually.

Eh 2016 was better. It has gotten more pushback. No more soft drinks or that stuff. Just rely on energy and doing activity, which is what human body or any beings is good to do to begin with. I was so sick of the yoga pretentious stuff back then.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Depends. Pushing it in peoples faces means low energy hipster culture. And everyone will listen to Adele Hello and Beatles. The horror of that culture would be worst punishment enough

Some might. But some also listen to Slipknot. I can take the ones who listen to Slipknot.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Eh 2016 was better.

I see now where we tend to disagree about things.

 

[Lars]

I see now where we tend to disagree about things.

To sum it up. This is what 2013 was to me.. It was horror. I got depressed because of how the culture was going. It was temporarily but it was a nightmare. Imagine living like this again -_-. Or i heard one funny joke on "Two and a half men" when Alan tried to use sarcasm, and Charlie replied with "Sarcasm is for winners Alan". Example, Near in Death Note when his work has paid off. Is one example when being smug is justified.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

To sum it up. This is what 2013 was to me.. It was horror. I got depressed because of how the culture was going. It was temporarily but it was a nightmare. Imagine living like this again -_-. Or i heard one funny joke on "Two and a half men" when Alan tried to use sarcasm, and Charlie replied with "Sarcasm is for winners Alan". Example, Near in Death Note when his work has paid off. Is one example when being smug is justified.

If you want to know how I felt about 2016-2020, listen to "Eyeless" by Slipknot. It should have been the theme song for my town.

 

[Lars]

If you want to know how I felt about 2016-2020, listen to "Eyeless" by Slipknot. It should have been the theme song for my town.

Well Slipknot is good, since its high energy and not low energy hipster music. But 2016 was good revenge thanks to the horrible culture of 2013... Was good bleach for it. I dont ever want to experience that again

But i found a method to lose weight or eat better while being under alot of pressure, i found it out during the summer of 2021. Basically give a vow to chop your right arm off (not literally but it would be like losing your dignity if you break it) if you dont eat healthy til next year in June 1st. Worked so far for me. Its only under extreme circumstances if you dont or cant control your eating habbit due to high pressure. But its a good trick, but once you have given the vow you cant undo it, so be sure what you are gonna promise before giving the vow, you can add to the vow but not undo the vow