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do you think the odds are in your favor if you pray?

tarasan

Well-Known Member
I usually don't pray for frivilous things I don't need. Usually prayer is more about worship for me then it is about benefiting myself.
ohhhh my goodness Sene did we just agree about something! this is something im going ot have to write down :D
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
For example the dress my teenage daughter bought to wear to her semi-formal dance would be outlawed in many countries. While I was debating with myself as to what to do about it (like infect her with a rhino virus two days before the dance) the zipper broke on it and she wound up buying a much more respectable dress as a substitute.

God works in mysterious ways.

I have to ask, how do we know you didn’t sneek into her room and break the zipper yourself?

And if you didn’t break the zipper yourself, why didn’t you do it yourself?

Do you think that it would somehow be an immoral act for you to break the zipper?
If you did break the zipper yourself would this not be vandalizing your daughter’s property?

Doesn’t this mean that you are suggesting that “God” committed the immoral act of vandalizing your daughter’s property?

Am I just putting way too much thought into this?

Why do I keep asking questions?
 

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
fantôme profane;2294346 said:
I have to ask, how do we know you didn’t sneek into her room and break the zipper yourself?

And if you didn’t break the zipper yourself, why didn’t you do it yourself?

Do you think that it would somehow be an immoral act for you to break the zipper?
If you did break the zipper yourself would this not be vandalizing your daughter’s property?

Doesn’t this mean that you are suggesting that “God” committed the immoral act of vandalizing your daughter’s property?

Am I just putting way too much thought into this?

Why do I keep asking questions?


How does he know the zipper didn't break from an eager boy trying to get into the girl wrapped in the dress?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
A leg or two.
This reminds me of this time I was driving down this country road and I saw this pig with a wooden leg. So I had to stop and ask the farmer about that.

"Well", says the farmer, "that is a very special pig. One night not too long ago we had a fire start in the barn.
"Well, sir, that pig set up a great squealing that woke everyone, and by the time we got there he had herded all the other animals out of the barn and saved everyone of them."

"And that was when he hurt his leg?" I asked.

"Oh no" says the farmer. "He was fine after that. Though a while later I was in the woods out back and a bear attacked me. Well, sir, that pig was near by and he came running and set on that bear and chased him off. Saved me for sure."

So I asked "Did the bear injured his leg?"

"Oh no. He came away without a scratch from that. Though a few days later my tractor turned over in a ditch and I was knocked unconscious. Well, that pig dove into the ditch and pulled me out before I drowned."

"So I guess he hurt his leg then?"

"Oh no," says the farmer.

"So how did he get the wooden leg?" I asked.

"Well", the farmer said, "When you have a special pig like that, you don't want to eat him all at once."
 
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nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
fantôme profane;2294373 said:
This reminds me of this time I was driving down this country road and I saw this pig with a wooden leg. So I had to stop and ask the farmer about that.

"Well", says the farmer, "that is a very special pig. One night not too long ago we had a fire start in the barn.
"Well, sir, that pig set up a great squealing that woke everyone, and by the time we got there he had herded all the other animals out of the barn and saved everyone of them."

"And that was when he hurt his leg?" I asked.

"Oh no" says the farmer. "He was fine after that. Though a while later I was in the woods out back and a bear attacked me. Well, sir, that pig was near by and he came running and set on that bear and chased him off. Saved me for sure."

So I asked "Did the bear injured his leg?"

"Oh no. He came away without a scratch from that. Though a few days later my tractor turned over in a ditch and I was knocked unconscious. Well, that pig dove into the ditch and pulled me out before I drowned."

"So I guess he hurt his leg then?"

"Oh no," says the farmer.

"So how did he get the wooden leg?" I asked.

"Well", the farmer tells him, "When you have a special pig like that, you don't want to eat him all at once."

frubals for sure!
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
fantôme profane;2294346 said:
I have to ask, how do we know you didn’t sneek into her room and break the zipper yourself?

And if you didn’t break the zipper yourself, why didn’t you do it yourself?
Because I didn't think of it. I'll know what to do in the future.

fantôme profane;2294346 said:
Do you think that it would somehow be an immoral act for you to break the zipper?
You'd have to explain your thought as to the immorality of that cuz I don't see it.
fantôme profane;2294346 said:
If you did break the zipper yourself would this not be vandalizing your daughter’s property?
She's a minor living in my house. I'm not sure private property applies.

fantôme profane;2294346 said:
Doesn’t this mean that you are suggesting that “God” committed the immoral act of vandalizing your daughter’s property?
She's a minor living in His house. I'm not sure it applies.

fantôme profane;2294346 said:
Am I just putting way too much thought into this?

Why do I keep asking questions?
It's a ponderous situation.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Because I didn't think of it. I'll know what to do in the future.

You'd have to explain your thought as to the immorality of that cuz I don't see it.
She's a minor living in my house. I'm not sure private property applies.

She's a minor living in His house. I'm not sure it applies.

It's a ponderous situation.
I have to be honest with you Sandy, I don’t believe you. I am sure the idea occurred to you, in some fashion or other. If not actually breaking the zipper, then the idea of just taking the dress, ripping the dress, throwing the dress in the garbage, burning the dress or something. You wanted to prevent you daughter from wearing that dress. I am sure that you are physically capable of preventing your daughter from wearing that dress and I am sure the idea occurred to you. If you really believed that the concept of private property did not apply nothing would have stopped you from taking some kind of action. However something did prevent you from taking action, and I am sure the obstacle was a moral one.

You say that next time you will know what to do. But I ask if you did would you be honest about it. Would you say to your daughter, “Yes I broke that zipper on your dress, I did it deliberately because I didn’t want you to be able to wear it”. Or would you lie (omission is still a lie), would you sneak in and do it when she wasn’t looking? Or would you do it right in front of her?. If you are less than completely honest about it then that is evidence that you know that the action is not a moral act.


(Isn’t it interesting that “God” always seems to act in such a way as to leave him with plausible deniability?)
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
fantôme profane;2296835 said:
I have to be honest with you Sandy, I don’t believe you. I am sure the idea occurred to you, in some fashion or other. If not actually breaking the zipper, then the idea of just taking the dress, ripping the dress, throwing the dress in the garbage, burning the dress or something. You wanted to prevent you daughter from wearing that dress. I am sure that you are physically capable of preventing your daughter from wearing that dress and I am sure the idea occurred to you. If you really believed that the concept of private property did not apply nothing would have stopped you from taking some kind of action. However something did prevent you from taking action, and I am sure the obstacle was a moral one.

You say that next time you will know what to do. But I ask if you did would you be honest about it. Would you say to your daughter, “Yes I broke that zipper on your dress, I did it deliberately because I didn’t want you to be able to wear it”. Or would you lie (omission is still a lie), would you sneak in and do it when she wasn’t looking? Or would you do it right in front of her?. If you are less than completely honest about it then that is evidence that you know that the action is not a moral act.


(Isn’t it interesting that “God” always seems to act in such a way as to leave him with plausible deniability?)
You must not have children.
 
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