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Do you trust Hillary?

Do you agree that Hillay used to lie?


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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
That's a nice "have you stopped beating your wife" question. It's a classic "gotcha" - and I don't play that silly game.

She's as honest as any politician and 10,000,000,000,000 times more honest than Donald and 10,000 times more honest than the Republican party who build their appeal on lying to the American people about what their real policies will do.

I've met less than a dozen people in my71 years on earth who don't lie. If you look at the fact checkers, no one ever has a zero lie record. What the question is really about is "she lies but we ignore our side's lies".

Politicians lie more than average because people don't want the truth, they want promises that no human could fulfill and get very upset if you don't lie to them. And then they get upset when you don't deliver what you promised.

I do find her sincere in what she wants to do. She much more straight-forward than Republicans.

And I find her trustworthy - 1 billion times more trustworthy than Donnie who can only whine and lie and sometimes repeat what others have told him to say.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Why to trust any presidential debate if it all about lies?
It's not "all about lies". The debates are ideally about watching a person's character come forth and to see how often and how badly they lie. Lying is not binary - always lie or never lie. It's about how often and how badly and what the consequences are.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Find me a person that doesn't lie and then you'll have proved God exists

Can you lie knowing that innocent people may die as a consequence of it?
I agree with you that all people lie, but not to the point of killing and harming innocent people.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Bad poll choices.
Yes, she has lied, but she doesn't do it as a hobby like Donald does. Trump doesn't even flinch when he lies, that is worrying. He would probably pass a lie detector test on something that can be proven that he did actually lie.
Hillary is uncomfortable when she lies.

As politicians you need to be 'economical with the truth'; Hillary can carry that off. Trump couldn't because when his lips are moving it is 50-50 that he is lying.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Do you think she's a honest, a sincere and a trustful person?

If you agree that she used to lie and she did nothing significant for America other than wars,
then do you think she deserves your voice? if you think she deserves it, then why, while knowing
that she used to lie and made wrong decisions.

Hillary Clinton has been, and still is a liar. And she's so practiced at her lying, she can do it with a completely straight face. She has all the democrats fooled. All of them.
I would never trust her. Nearly everything she says is a lie. I will never trust her. And she will never be MY commander in chief.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
It's not "all about lies". The debates are ideally about watching a person's character come forth and to see how often and how badly they lie. Lying is not binary - always lie or never lie. It's about how often and how badly and what the consequences are.
So, who do we choose?

A guy who likes girls (very uncommon these days I know) who understands the problems with this nation, who can get something done?
or
A liar.

I like guys who like girls, far more than I like liars.

I'm going with Trump.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Can you lie knowing that innocent people may die as a consequence of it?
I agree with you that all people lie, but not to the point of killing and harming innocent people.
I do not lie. I do not place myself in situations where I need to lie. I used to, but not anymore. I hate liars. I hate even little white liars.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
So, who do we choose?

A guy who likes girls (very uncommon these days I know) who understands the problems with this nation, who can get something done?
or
A liar.

I like guys who like girls, far more than I like liars.

I'm going with Trump.

Does he like girls or does he like to "grab them in the p*ssy?"

Do you like guys that like guys as a president? Is this even relevant to point out?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I remember various pictures of her over her lifetime. I think she's pretty interesting and cool, but I haven't read her biography yet. I think that she is very hard working and can debate well. This is very important for a president, because otherwise they can get walked over by the military, lobbies and their own staff. Another very good thing about her is that she isn't campaigning on the promise that God has called her to be president. She is also able to accept criticism. You would think that these basic traits would be easy to get in a presidential candidate but lately they have become rare. I have seen her in debates, and she's pretty good which means she's smart enough. There are unfortunately some issues that I may not agree with her on, but as a president she would only be able to accomplish what congress and the supreme court allowed anyway.
Perhaps you forget her power to unilaterally wage war (by "police action").
She can enmesh & ensnare us in some nasty & potentially explosive affairs.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I feel she might be a warmonger, which the Us don't need, and also the rest of the world that usually gets dragged into it, especially if there's the smell of oil in the air.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I feel she might be a warmonger, which the Us don't need, and also the rest of the world that usually gets dragged into it, especially if there's the smell of oil in the air.
I trust that her interest in child welfare is true, which means to me she should be mostly against war.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I feel she might be a warmonger, which the Us don't need, and also the rest of the world that usually gets dragged into it, especially if there's the smell of oil in the air.
I don't think oil is that closely related to any of our recent military foreign adventurism.
We haven't attacked any of the top 6 producers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
And of the lesser ones we have attacked, we haven't reaped any net benefit.

Looking back, one recent oil related act was our 1953 Iranian coup to overthrow their
democratically elected leader. But then we instigated & supported Iraq's war against them,
which was a losing deal. Since then, the oil explanation fails.
So what about oil would motivate us to go to war as we have?
I haven't figured that out.
The one common factor appears to be that they're Muslim countries unfriendly to us or to Israel.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I don't think oil is that closely related to any of our recent military foreign adventurism.
We haven't attacked any of the top 6 producers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
And of the lesser ones we have attacked, we haven't reaped any net benefit.

Looking back, one recent oil related act was our 1953 Iranian coup to overthrow their
democratically elected leader. But then we instigated & supported Iraq's war against them,
which was a losing deal. Since then, the oil explanation fails.
So what about oil would motivate us to go to war as we have?
I haven't figured that out.
The one common factor appears to be that they're Muslim countries.
Yes you may be right there, but still I don't trust her, I think its better to vote for someone who may shake the US up, it has to change, and sometimes you have to take a gamble.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes you may be right there, but still I don't trust her, I think its better to vote for someone who may shake the US up, it has to change, and sometimes you have to take a gamble.
I'm gambling big this election.
Donald & Hillary both look bad.
I merely judge her to be worse.
But the outcome is rather unpredictable & dangerous for either.
 
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