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Doctor Admits That Deaths From COVID-19 Overcounted

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esmith

esmith

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Shadow Wolf said:
No, it just means Fox found a physician willing to go against sound, peer reviewed data, and because it's Fox it's no surprise. It's no different than the NFL carefully choosing physicians who will say there is no link between brain trauma and playing football despite the enormous amounts of evidence that clearly shows this link exists.
Or tobacco companies who did the same. That's just not true and we know, based on medical data, tobacco smoking is hazardous despite what physicians and researchers paid by the tobacco companies are saying.
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Did you not read the article? The physician CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is "overcounting" the amount of "COVID deaths and hospitalizations."
 
esmith

esmith

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metis said:
Oh, a Fox link again, so we are to blindly believe that propaganda channel?


Again, just more Fox political trash.
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Guess you also have an issue with reading:
From the link
CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is "overcounting" the amount of "COVID deaths and hospitalizations."

I though you Dem's put a lot of stock in CNN and the Washington Post?
Guess it is only when you agree with them. Right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/leana-s-wen/
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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esmith said:
Guess you also have an issue with reading:
From the link
CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is "overcounting" the amount of "COVID deaths and hospitalizations."

I though you Dem's put a lot of stock in CNN and the Washington Post?
Guess it is only when you agree with them. Right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/leana-s-wen/
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You so nor seem to understand that the actual numbers are undercounted if one undercounts a thousand people but overcounts ten. She may be right.

So what?

I love it when people use arguments that can be refuted by a simple "So what?"
 
W

Wildswanderer

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esmith said:
Seems that died from Covid and died with covid means the same thing when it comes to reporting Covid death in many instances.
From the linked article: Dr. Leana Wen slammed after admitting there's been 'overcounting' of COVID deaths: ‘TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATE’
"Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive." Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, "If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all."

Does the mean that government overreacted in dealing with covid?
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What it means is that all the people who were being called conspiracy theorists were right in one more way.
 
stvdv

stvdv

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Revoltingest said:
There are many many doctors, few of whom
are trained in epidemiology. So no matter
what agenda one pursues, one can find a
doctor who supports it.
This raises the question....is this opinion
founded on cromulent data & analysis?
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YES

Plenty of proof I found in 2020 already
 
stvdv

stvdv

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esmith said:
Seems that died from Covid and died with covid means the same thing when it comes to reporting Covid death in many instances.
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In Holland they did it also, and had to admit it; they gave us plenty of evidence, for all who were willing to see (except the blind of course)
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Subduction Zone said:
I am rather skeptical of this.
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Somewhat off topic is a comment I
saw on an anti-vax youtube video....

As a Christian I said No too Satan's shots & yes too Boldness to say No from the conviction of The Holy Spirit of Truth . Discernment is crucial to endure until the end . God give my Brothers & Sister's in Christ Strength in these last days.
 
Orbit

Orbit

I'm a planet
esmith said:
Seems that died from Covid and died with covid means the same thing when it comes to reporting Covid death in many instances.
From the linked article: Dr. Leana Wen slammed after admitting there's been 'overcounting' of COVID deaths: ‘TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATE’
"Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive." Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, "If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all."

Does the mean that government overreacted in dealing with covid?
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I object to this post for a very personal reason. My best friend died (too young) of Covid-enabled pneumonia. The science and Covid deniers would like to say she died of pneumonia, but the actual cause was Covid. That's not over-counting, and it encourages people to not take Covid seriously, which is dangerous.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Orbit said:
I object to this post for a very personal reason. My best friend died (too young) of Covid-enabled pneumonia. The science and Covid deniers would like to say she died of pneumonia, but the actual cause was Covid. That's not over-counting, and it encourages people to not take Covid seriously, which is dangerous.
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My best friends mother died. She has Alzheimer's but was expected to live another 5 or 6 years. Got covid and died
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Orbit said:
I object to this post for a very personal reason. My best friend died (too young) of Covid-enabled pneumonia. The science and Covid deniers would like to say she died of pneumonia, but the actual cause was Covid. That's not over-counting, and it encourages people to not take Covid seriously, which is dangerous.
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ChristineM said:
My best friends mother died. She has Alzheimer's but was expected to live another 5 or 6 years. Got covid and died
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It was a co-worker for me. We were working at a Covid positive nursing home. This was pre-vaccine. We both got it at about the same time. She went to the hospital and never came back.
 
HonestJoe

HonestJoe

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esmith said:
Does the mean that government overreacted in dealing with covid?
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No, because it isn't true that anyone "admitted" there has been overcounting of COVID deaths. The Washington Post article is a fairly reasonable assessment of the question (with a click-bait headline almost certainly written by some editor) but it doesn't reach any definitive conclusions, it just makes an argument for more accurate and detailed data.

There are really two separate issues discussed in the article, which are potentially but not definitively related. The testing of patients hospitalised for other reasons isn't really about data gathering, it's for practical purposes, since additional infection control measures might be necessary, not necessarily to protect the patient for whom COVID is causing no problem but to protect other patients who it might. There is clearly a difference between patients needing treatment for COVID-influenced illness and patients who just happen to have COVID but that's really only relevant to the staff treating those patients.

Death certificates have long recorded a sequence of conditions that led up to the ultimate cause of death, and have long included secondary factors which are likely to have contributed. I've not seen anything to suggest that the actual contents of post COVID death certificates are any less accurate than they always have been (which isn't the same as saying they're perfect). I think the core issue is media (and increasingly social media), with laymen who report simplistic headline figures without understanding (or caring) about those complexities and caveats. That is ultimately what leads to the conspiracy theories.
 
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