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Does Allah curse those who leave Islam?

There seems to be a pattern of people leaving Islam and then getting into unfortunate situations. This guy points out some strange coincidences in the video posted below. Of course, I'm aware that he's using the false dilemma fallacy, but still...


Does Allah curse those who leave Islam?
 

Brinne

Active Member
From my understanding repentance operates the same (al-Anfaal 8:38) so one could be forgiven for sinning if they make active strides to do so. Similar to the other Abrahamic religions. Though yes as far as I know it is a sin to disbelieve -- as it is in Christianity if one turns their back on Christ or blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. However (Surah Al-Kafirun [109]) ("For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.") leads me to believe Islam may spiritually be more forgiving. That and the acceptance of "People of the Book" historically and scripturally.

This is all just my opinion/observation/interpretation from what I know however.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
To answer the specific OP question, leaving permanently is according to the Islamic scriptures to be cursed. The question about what people should do about this varies depending on the Islamic school and the historical period. For example:

Other Qur'anic verses[36] refer to apostasy. According to professor of anthropology Dale F. Eickelman, some verses in the Quran appear to justify coercion and severe punishment for apostates.[37] In contrast, legal historian Wael Hallaq writes that "nothing in the law governing apostates and apostasy derives from the letter" of the Quran.[38] There is no mention of any specific corporal punishment for apostates to which they are to be subjected in this world,[39][40][41] nor do Qur'anic verses refer, whether explicitly or implicitly, to the need to force an apostate to return to Islam or to kill him if he refuses to do so.[42]

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia
 
I was hoping this was going to be more of a personal opinions kind of thread, but naaaahhh, someone had to move it from the Islam sub-forum... :rolleyes:
 
Actually Muslims kill those that try to leave Islam. The death penalty is carried out against those that leave Islam in Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia. United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
That has nothing to do with my question. I am aware that death is considered a right punishment for apostasy in Islam, but it is not applied in all Muslim countries, and this thread is referring to whether Allah punishes the apostates Himself (when human punishment does not take place) by making their lives difficult or by killing them.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
That has nothing to do with my question. I am aware that death is considered a right punishment for apostasy in Islam, but it is not applied in all Muslim countries, and this thread is referring to whether Allah punishes the apostates Himself (when human punishment does not take place) by making their lives difficult or by killing them.

@England my lionheart gave you an answer to that on the post before yours.
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
That has nothing to do with my question. I am aware that death is considered a right punishment for apostasy in Islam, but it is not applied in all Muslim countries, and this thread is referring to whether Allah punishes the apostates Himself (when human punishment does not take place) by making their lives difficult or by killing them.

What do you mean by 'leaving Islaam'? Converting to another religion? If so, what (kind of) religion? Or moving to a state of total disbelief in Allaah (or any kind of Divine Being resembling Allaah, even if you refer to this Being by a different name), becoming an atheist, etc.? For Allaah, I do not believe all forms of 'leaving Islaam' are equal, and that has implications for how Allaah might view the apostate.
 

Abarika

New Member
Well, leaving Islam means cursing yourself.

Why?

Well, a curse means Allah's mercy is not upon you anymore. So the simple answer to this question is that Allah's mercy is upon each and every creature on earth. But on the day of judgment, it is our deeds that will save us from the torment of Allah. If you disobeyed Allah's commands, you shall be punished and if you respected, you shall also get your share of it.

The fact is that Islam is the religion chosen by Allah. So if you leave Islam, it means you have disobeyed the commandment of Allah and hence you shall pay for it.

I encourage everybody to repent to Allah and turn back to Islam. Islam is the proven way that can send us all to Jannah, Insha-Allah.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I reject the idea that Allah curses those who leave Islam, however the idea that one is cursed by Allah for leaving Islam is so deeply entrenched into the Muslim psyche, as our Muslim friends have noted, that I can readily understand how apostates psychologically set themselves up to believe this is exactly what is happening to them. It may take them quite some time to get over the residual psychological effects of their former religion.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Well, leaving Islam means cursing yourself.

Why?

Well, a curse means Allah's mercy is not upon you anymore. So the simple answer to this question is that Allah's mercy is upon each and every creature on earth. But on the day of judgment, it is our deeds that will save us from the torment of Allah. If you disobeyed Allah's commands, you shall be punished and if you respected, you shall also get your share of it.

The fact is that Islam is the religion chosen by Allah. So if you leave Islam, it means you have disobeyed the commandment of Allah and hence you shall pay for it.

I encourage everybody to repent to Allah and turn back to Islam. Islam is the proven way that can send us all to Jannah, Insha-Allah.

Your religious view, like many Jews and Christian, to leave the one true faith, results in Divine judgement and condemnation, which is a problem for ancient obsolete religions that resort to force and ostracizing to keep believers in line. It is not the real problem, The real problem is the unfortunate fact that for one to leave Islam, it is often punishable by death, imprisonment, and worse. The bottom line is there is no religious freedom in most Islamic countries, which is an unfortunate part of ancient outdated belief systems.
 
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1AOA1

Active Member
Your religious view, like many Jews and Christian, to leave the one true faith, results in Divine judgement and condemnation, which is a problem for ancient obsolete religions that resort to force and ostracizing to keep believers in line. It is not the real problem, The real problem is the unfortunate fact that for one to leave Islam, it is often punishable by death, imprisonment, and worse. The bottom line is there is no religious freedom in most Islamic countries, which is an unfortunate part of ancient outdated belief systems.

In the act of crossing the street, a child is forced to follow the orders of the parents such as remaining on the sidewalk until it's clear, and he cannot forsake those principles. This can be deemed good or bad depending on those conditions which approach it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
All who leave Islam are rewarded with freedom of thought.
Of course, this newfound liberty isn't always handled well.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
All who leave Islam are rewarded with freedom of thought.
Of course, this newfound liberty isn't always handled well.
Freedom of thought? I thought that was banned years a...

Oh wait, sorry, that's just here in the U.K.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
In the act of crossing the street, a child is forced to follow the orders of the parents such as remaining on the sidewalk until it's clear, and he cannot forsake those principles. This can be deemed good or bad depending on those conditions which approach it.

Not relevant. This does not represent principles. Reread and respond again.
 
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