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Does an atheist have any chance of becoming a United States president?

Nous

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Premium Member
Actually Lincoln was accused of being “an open scoffer at Christianity” during his first run for the House. In response, he issued a handbill that was distributed to voters and printed in local newspapers. His statements in it were hardly a profession of piety or religious devotion. He acknowledged that he was not a member of any Christian church, but also that he had “never denied the truth of the Scriptures” nor “spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular.” He also noted:

It is true that in early life I was inclined to believe in what I understand is called the “Doctrine of Necessity” --- that is, that the human mind is impelled to action, or held in rest by some power, over which the mind itself has no control; and I have sometimes (with one, two or three, but never publicly) tried to maintain this opinion in argument. The habit of arguing thus however, I have, entirely left off for more than five years. And I add here, I have always understood this same opinion to be held by several of the Christian denominations. The foregoing, is the whole truth, briefly stated, in relation to myself, upon this subject.​

Abraham Lincoln to the Voters of the Illinois Seventh Congressional District, July 31, 1846 | House Divided

These spare thoughts on the subject were apparently good enough to pass the religion test of the bumpkins in Illinois at the time. In speeches and letters during his political career, Lincoln often referred to God, probably as often any other President has.

But later in his Presidency, especially after Willie's devastating death and the horrors of Gettysburg or the war generally, Lincoln perhaps seemed to more often make comments having spiritual or religious allusions or meaning when he didn't have to and whose purpose was not to appease some constituency. And after his death and continuing even until today, there has been a significant literature on the subject of Lincoln's religious views or beliefs, including particularly whether his views changed later in life. Several people close to him, including Mary, say his views on such matters definitely changed. It's an interesting topic. Some people have pinned him as a deist--but, then, some of his comments do not necessarily comport with that classification.

In any case, insofar as electing as President someone who espouses atheism or labels him/herself as “atheist,” I suppose it would make a difference how vociferous or adamant such espousal or self-identification is. I would wonder what such a candidate might say if asked to state an argument for the thesis of atheism as a positive belief, i.e., as a belief or view distinct from agnosticism, as I asked on this thread: Arguments for Atheism I didn't see where anyone ever stated any such sound argument--but I haven't even really read the thread.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Not for a long time.
Which is somewhat interesting, if unsurprising.

Perhaps it would be better if people sought more honesty and transparency from their candidates, rather than demanding to be lied to.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I don't want to see an atheist president any more than I want to see a religious fundamentalist president. Both have fallen prey to self-delusion and as such are showing themselves to be prone to dishonesty and ignorance.
 

Rational Agnostic

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No chance because people want a smart leader. Atheism is logically rediculious. So, if a president was atheist, his policy decisions may also be illogical and rediculoius too.

So, are you claiming that atheists are less intelligent on average than religious people? Because that claim is erroneous. In fact, many studies suggest that atheists are considerably more intelligent (on average) than theists.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I don't want to see an atheist president any more than I want to see a religious fundamentalist president. Both have fallen prey to self-delusion and as such are showing themselves to be prone to dishonesty and ignorance.

As opposed to a trump who is so honest and completely delusional.
 
So, are you claiming that atheists are less intelligent on average than religious people? Because that claim is erroneous. In fact, many studies suggest that atheists are considerably more intelligent (on average) than theists.

Atheists are intelligent enough to be functioning human beings, but when it comes to rationality when talking of there worldview, all reasoning breaks down into foolishness.

And just what are these studies? I wonder if these studies are intelligently done too?
 

Rational Agnostic

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Atheists are intelligent enough to be functioning human beings, but when it comes to rationality when talking of there worldview, all reasoning breaks down into foolishness.

And just what are these studies? I wonder if these studies are intelligently done too?

And just how is "there" worldview irrational?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
As opposed to a trump who is so honest and completely delusional.
Trump is an atheist, if he's anything at all. Probably he's nothing at all because he isn't smart enough to have ever really asked himself such questions.

But morons as president wasn't part of the OP topic.
 
And just how is "there" worldview irrational?

Its irrational on almost all levels.

First because they deny theres a God.

Second because they deny theres a soul.

Third because they deny anecdotal experiences.

Fourth, they deny veridical anecdotal experiences.

Fifth, there arguments against all these things break down into red herrings, ad hominums and strawmen arguments. All rationality just breaks down into foolishness.

This dont mean an atheist can never make a good point. They can. But there good points are like pure water mixed with the poison of foolishness. It contaminates the whole water.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Trump is an atheist, if he's anything at all. Probably he's nothing at all because he isn't smart enough to have ever really asked himself such questions.

But morons as president wasn't part of the OP topic.

Many christians say trump is christian. A true moron
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
There's nothing illogical about being an agnostic: saying you don't know and won't accept that anyone else does. Of course, it's not particularly logical, since most of what we know is based on the testimony of others.

But an atheist claims to know that there are no gods, and one cannot prove non-existence save in closed fields like mathematics. Since over 80% of the world's population practice a religion, the atheist is also implying that they are all wrong and accordingly inferior. The first position is foolish, the second arogant. Not a person I'd vote for!
 

Tomas Kindahl

... out on my Odyssé — again!
In God we trust: why Americans won’t vote in an atheist president

It seems every candidate the US has ever had, both Democrat and Republican, professes publicly some kind of theistic belief.

What do you think the odds are of an atheist becoming president?

As far as I know, Atheists are kind of professing people, professing their denial of God. Considering the recent development of Evangelicals supporting Trump, I would consider the odds ... considerable. Atheist is starting to become a merit.
 

Tomas Kindahl

... out on my Odyssé — again!
Trump is an atheist, if he's anything at all.

A person believing himself to be a divine being, cannot be an Atheist. Trump does care about religion ... if he can profit from it in cash. Ergo he loves the televangelicals.
 
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