And the humans evolved from non-humans. If you believe that is the mechanism for the 'creator' to produce humans, I am fine with that. it isn't what I believe, but what I care about is the demonstrable facts, not the mythology.
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Does anyone believe in Evolution anymore?
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And the humans evolved from non-humans. If you believe that is the mechanism for the 'creator' to produce humans, I am fine with that. it isn't what I believe, but what I care about is the demonstrable facts, not the mythology.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
And here we see a common problem, they get so wrapped up in the faux-Biblese truthiness sounding affected speech, they stop making actual sense, and often self contradict.
Not really. it is pretty much the standard. If I claim the Loch Ness monster exists, it isn't your job to prove me wrong, but my job to prove the existence. If I claim the Higg's boson exists, it isn't your job to prove me wrong, but my job to prove the existence.
The burden of proof is *always* on the one making the positive existence claim.
And let's face it. After thousands of years, theists haven't been able to come up with any actual evidence for their position.
siti
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...and hip bones - don't forget the fully working hip bones...what...they don't actually work? Huh! Then what the heck was God thinking then? What? He put the hip bones (presumably left over from some other creation that didn't need them either) in there for the whale to hang its presumably prodigiously proportioned penis on? And the female whales? What are their hip bones for?
PS - you might want to think about updating your library - even your side has written quite a bit since the 1980s...Michael Denton and Francis Hitching were staples of 1980s creationism - a whole new ID paradigm has grown and withered since then - Michael Behe and William Dembski and co...and all that...just sayin'.
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LightofTruth
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My point? Can you show that a non-human became a human?
No, because that isn't how evolution works. No individual changes species.
Wat happens is that *populations* change over time. In the case of humans, populations of Homo erectus became better tool users and developed larger brains and that made them human.
You seem to think there is a black line in the sand between 'human' and 'non-human'. Well, in evolutionary terms, no such hard line exists.
Wandering Monk
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Let us know when YOU can prove the non-existence of Zeus.
LightofTruth
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There is nothing absurd about believing in an intelligent creator
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
There are several lines of evidence in support of the idea. Do you care to look at them or will you just handwave them? Here's a good place to start. How much evidence have scientists found for human evolution?
When you've read that, here's a good piece about genetic evidence Error - Cookies Turned Off
after you've read and understood those, let me know.
LightofTruth
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I'm not here to prove anything. When you going to stop pretending you know something?
And yet, no actual evidence for one has ever been given that couldn't be easier explained in some other way.
Once again, while I don't believe, I really don't care whether you do or not as long as you leave the public schools alone and don't go denying actual science. You can believe whatever myths you want past that.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I assumed he was speaking in generalities, "can you show a non human species became a human species", not any specific individual changed from one to the other.
Just heading off a possible misunderstanding....
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Yet you're demanding proof from everyone else. Do you see the double standard?
LightofTruth
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I'm simply suggesting that you stop pretending you have answers when you don't.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It can be hard to tell through his affected faux Biblese, but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt
And the Pastafarians will agree with you. They believe that intelligent creator is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I'm more inclined to the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself, but I don't take either seriously. Maybe I'm just a Discordian.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
...says the guy making claims about a creator deity
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Oh, I am quite willing to admit when I don't have answers. There are a great number of questions nobody knows the answers to.
But whether evolution happened or not is not one of those questions. Whether humans evolved from other apes is not one of those questions. At this point, that the universe has been expanding for the last 13.7 billion years is not one of those questions.