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Does anyone really think the book of mormon is compatible with the bible?
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angellous_evangellous
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The Bible itself is a collection of texts whose theology is difficult to reconcile.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
"difficult" is kind. "impossible" may also be used.
I am known for understatement.
DeepShadow
White Crow
Proof texts have never been a problem for compatibility, so I fail to see what "copying" causes incompatibility. As for the other, could you give me an example of the "wildly different dogma"?
sure;
Not that you can easily find any christian that would accept the book of mormon as fact,
Alma
The Nephites were all "Christians", "true believers of Christ" -- 73 or so years before Christ was born, and well over 100 years before the Bible (Acts 11:26) claims the followers of Christ were first called "Christians". 46:13-16
Helman
When Jesus dies (Remember this prophecy was made before Jesus had even been born!) it will be absolutely dark for three days and nights. No sun, moon, stars, candles, or campfires. 14:20, 27
Ether
Moroni translated the 24 plates that the people of Limri had found. And although he seems to remember some stuff about Adam, the tower of Babel, etc., he decided to leave that part out since you can read all about it in the Bible. 1:2-3
Need more?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Possibly, but then again, you may agree that the book of mormon and the bible are completely compatible.
It's a voluntary thing i suppose, you can choose not to post here.
DeepShadow
White Crow
A translation issue. The actual term was probably their name for "believers in the Messiah to come" but Joseph Smith figured that "Christians" would be a good translation.
Yep. In the area where they lived, this came true. No one said it had to be worldwide. Interesting that non-LDS geologists have pinpointed volcanic eruptions around that time that would have darkened the area.
What's the problem here?
What I need is what you promised--different dogmas. "Dogmas" are established beliefs or doctrines, not footnotes in history.
Where do the established beliefs set forth by the Book of Mormon contradict those set forth in the Bible?
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angellous_evangellous
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Not by folks - by the religious works that people find inspiring. Finding someone who lives perfectly according to any set of principles they espouse would be a rare thing - you would not be worthy to stoop down and loosen the sandals on their feet,and be forced to confess "Truly this is a daughter of God."
DeepShadow
White Crow
Still waiting for contradictory dogmas.
I know many Christians that are starting to realize that the bible is hopelessly outdated and incompatible with modern culture. I still have not heard a Christian say the Mormons can be labeled Christians.
Only the Mormons seem to think they are. Shortly before he died, the founder of the Church of Latter-Day Saints, commonly called the Mormons, Joseph Smith was faced with a similar problem. Although he was gaining quite a sizable following, the "normal" Christians wouldn't give him the time of day, and in fact, were threatening to mob the self-proclaimed "prophet."
To shore up his authority, Joseph Smith "translated" an accepted version of the Bible. Although eschewed by the larger Mormon church, the smaller Re-Organized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, with their headquarters in Missouri, still take this special Bible as their own. It is an unremarkable translation, with few suprises, being mostly word-for-word copied from the King James Version of scripture. The only noticable variation comes in the fiftieth chapter of the book of Genesis, where the patriarch Joseph is on his deathbed. In most Bibles, Joseph promises that God will lead them back, out of Egypt to their own land. Now in Joseph Smith's authorized version, the dying Israelite prophesies further, promising that another deliverer is coming, who will also be called Joseph. :foot:
nutshell
Well-Known Member
I know many Christians that are starting to realize that the bible is hopelessly outdated and incompatible with modern culture. I still have not heard a Christian say the Mormons can be labeled Christians.
Shortly before he died, the founder of the Church of Latter-Day Saints, commonly called the Mormons, Joseph Smith was faced with a similar problem. Although he was gaining quite a sizable following, the "normal" Christians wouldn't give him the time of day, and in fact, were threatening to mob the self-proclaimed "prophet."
To shore up his authority, Joseph Smith "translated" an accepted version of the Bible. Although eschewed by the larger Mormon church, the smaller Re-Organized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, with their headquarters in Missouri, still take this special Bible as their own. It is an unremarkable translation, with few suprises, being mostly word-for-word copied from the King James Version of scripture. The only noticable variation comes in the fiftieth chapter of the book of Genesis, where the patriarch Joseph is on his deathbed. In most Bibles, Joseph promises that God will lead them back, out of Egypt to their own land. Now in Joseph Smith's authorized version, the dying Israelite prophesies further, promising that another deliverer is coming, who will also be called Joseph. :foot:
You really should stop. This post shows you don't know what you're talking about.
Witty comeback, I notice you didn't have anything contrary to say. What part of what I posted isn't true? And list your proof how it's incorrect please.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Because those that accept it as fact have usually already become Mormon
Of course the word that ancient believers in Christ used for themselves would be the English word Christian.
And?
You seem to be forgetting the records Lehi's family brought from Jerusalem. They were also the records that Nephi used to write several passages from Isaiah. They contained many of the writings that are in the Old Testament.
PLease post as many as you can. This is so fun. Of course they aren't doctrinal differences between the Book of Mormon and the Bible as you stated in your opening post. But they're still fun anyway.
You're not really Banned are you?
nutshell
Well-Known Member
I know many Christians that are starting to realize that the bible is hopelessly outdated and incompatible with modern culture. I still have not heard a Christian say the Mormons can be labeled Christians.
If you haven't heard a Christial label a Mormon as Christian then you aren't listening. There are many people that are not as xenophobic as the Christians you seem to know. If you want an example of a Christian who would label Mormons as Christian you have no further to look than this site.
This wasn't a "problem" as you call it (then or now). We have a message to share that we believe can make bad people good and good people better. Whether a person accepts or not, we honor people's right to choose how and when they worship. As for the "threatening" mob - they didn't just threaten - they carried out the mob and killed Joseph Smith.
Joseph Smith did not translate the Bible to "shore up his authority." That's your fantasy - not reality.
The Joseph Smith translation of the Bible isn't eschewed by the LDS church. Again - that's your fantasy - not reality. The Reorganized church held the copyright to the translation. The LDS church received permission to use parts of the translation and has incorporated them as footnotes or appendeces to the King James Version that LDS church currently uses.
If the LDS church eschewed the Joseph Smith translation as you claim - why would it fill the Bible it does use with footnotes and other sections from the translation? Obviously, the LDS church does not avoid or shun the Joseph Smith translation.
Unremarkable? Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The translation has much much more than the fiftieth chapter of Genesis. You're just not paying attention.
I skimmed this article in wikipedia: Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It seems to be much more accurate than your drivel.