Yes; it's attitudes like that that made me think the OP must be a troll. But the question is still fun to ponder anyway, for a few minutes.
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Does anything actually matter at all?
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At issue is whether or not the term "ultimate meaning" has meaning. Perhaps it would be more useful to replace the word 'ultimate' with the word 'inherent'.
Luke_17:2
Fundamental Bible-thumper
Seriously now.
(from an atheistic perspective received from the mouth of several I know) There are two sides to the argument. But neither side can answer the big picture: does anything matter in the end.
One side says that we have ourselves, family, values, etc. to live for in the short term, but that nothing will last, and (I quote), "it's depressing".
The other side says, and I quote, "f*** it."
Atheists, it's been my experience, have things to live for in the immediate scheme of things; but there's no point to try hard for the future in any capacity beyond this life because it won't effect you.
Now, this is deduction from the attitudes of several atheists I'm aquainted with, and many others I've talked with who are either pessimistic or optimistic. I'm not trying to lump all together, but this has been my experience.
(from an atheistic perspective received from the mouth of several I know) There are two sides to the argument. But neither side can answer the big picture: does anything matter in the end.
One side says that we have ourselves, family, values, etc. to live for in the short term, but that nothing will last, and (I quote), "it's depressing".
The other side says, and I quote, "f*** it."
Atheists, it's been my experience, have things to live for in the immediate scheme of things; but there's no point to try hard for the future in any capacity beyond this life because it won't effect you.
Now, this is deduction from the attitudes of several atheists I'm aquainted with, and many others I've talked with who are either pessimistic or optimistic. I'm not trying to lump all together, but this has been my experience.
You don't know enough atheists.
Nanda
Polyanna
Then there are those of us who agree with the first half of that sentiment, yet don't find it depressing in the slightest.
frg001
Complex bunch of atoms
Not a troll thank you. I'm not sure why someones rather sad attitude directed at me should make you think I was one however.
Of course, life and love and things matter to me, my original post was merely a snippet of something that sometimes crosses my mind...
People question the 'Meaning of Life', I tend to think there is no 'Meaning' to anything at all. It just is.
Sonic247
Well-Known Member
I know y'all don't always like quotes, but this expresses my answer so perfectly-
Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his(it's) time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his(it's) time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Do your words have meaning?
Intrinsic meaning and relative importance are not the same thing.
This is one of the reasons why I prefer to concentrate on what is in front of me right now, at this moment.
Peace,
Mystic
frg001
Complex bunch of atoms
...And that is the question I am asking?
One answer could be...
. Ultimately no - As little meaning as any 'words' - What are words uttered by human beings? Human beings have been around for less than 1 grain of sand in a world of beaches, or less than a teaspoon of water in the oceans, compared to the life of the universe. And we more than likely will have died out in another. The galaxy, the universe will continue. We will have made zero difference to anything apart from our own blip in the life of that which is.
Oh and none of this I find depressing. I find it quite exhilarating and freeing.
frg001
Complex bunch of atoms
From your replies you seem quite insulting and clearly have zero knowledge of how atheists think. Most of the people I know, love and generally hang around are not theists, however they all very much care about things far outside the scope of their own lives. I myself would jump in front of a train for my son. That isn't the question/thought/wonder though.
It is meant to stir debate, or thought. Not stupidly ignorant anti-atheist stereotyping.
Nanda
Polyanna
No, intrinsic meaning and relative importance are not the same thing. However, if I believe that nothing is any more or less important than anything else, I am stating that, in my opinion, nothing has any intrinsic meaning or importance (which, because it is only my view, becomes relative by default.)
Inference is a one-way street ...
Sonic247
Well-Known Member
I don't think he meant all that, after all he mentioned that family was one of the things some athiest care about. And everyone should of course including athiests(1st Titus 5:8). However even though your son has his own independent life he is still a part of your life, one of the best parts and one that would hurt the most to lose. So even if someone said, "athiests only care about their own lives" it would include family. But since were on the subject, Ramen Noodle soup and an ice cold "Dr. Thunder" seem pretty meaningful to me now. And maybe there is a deeper meaning, my hunger to have the physicall need of eating met is parellel for my spiritual hunger to know God. I just got back from a long walk so I'm pretty hungry, maybe sometimes we wander spiritually too and it makes it seem much better to reach home and have some ramen noodles.