Does anything happen that is not Gods will?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think reality is the divine order. Therefore any and eveything that happens
is what is meant to be. I think it's impossible to go against the will of divine
order / reality.

But there are many things that happen that we'd consider to be less than ideal. Does this mean that divine order/reality is in fact disordered, or does it mean that our perception of it is disordered?

Or, to put it another way, is the evil that we see in the world the result of an evil god, or is it actually good that we've simply mistaken for evil?

 

[9Westy9]

Just like magnets?

:troll:

 

[idav]

But there are many things that happen that we'd consider to be less than ideal. Does this mean that divine order/reality is in fact disordered, or does it mean that our perception of it is disordered?

Or, to put it another way, is the evil that we see in the world the result of an evil god, or is it actually good that we've simply mistaken for evil?

People tend to worry about trivialities that don't matter in the grand scheme of things. We would tend to make it personal when it isn't really. Although tornadoes make it seem personal sometimes when they just drop and destroy one house.

 

[idav]

You dont need an OK from God to have a bowel movement.

He could probably create some complications in that area. He allowing us to pickout our toothpaste but destine the major parts of our life?

 

[idav]

I do not believe it is possible to go against God's will. How can you believe that God willed creation, that God willed human nature and all its complexities, that God knows past, present and future, but then believe anything can occur against God's will? And for those who say that we do go against God's will, I'm pretty sure even according to your religion, it is God's will that you are able to behave in a manner that he disapproves.

I agree. There would end up being a reason something is allowed.

I think reality is the divine order. Therefore any and eveything that happens
is what is meant to be. I think it's impossible to go against the will of divine
order / reality.

True, I don't think humans have that much power yet.

 

[idav]

Just like magnets?

What I mean is how does free will work in relation to gods will.

 

[9Westy9]

What I mean is how does free will work in relation to gods will.

God's will is only concerned with the big picture and free will is concerned with the minor things like hobbies, likes and dislikes etc.?

 

[cablescavenger]

Even if he doesn't control us is it even possible to do something God didn't plan for? Many people say bad things happen and that God must have some sort of purpose and that his understanding surpasses ours. Do people get hurt or sick or die without getting an ok from god?

Which God?

 

[Storm]

But there are many things that happen that we'd consider to be less than ideal. Does this mean that divine order/reality is in fact disordered, or does it mean that our perception of it is disordered?

In my theology, neither.

Or, to put it another way, is the evil that we see in the world the result of an evil god, or is it actually good that we've simply mistaken for evil?

I believe that "evil" is a goad to moral evolution, which is vital to God's maturation.

 

[dust1n]

I dont think God is a controller of humans.
A red light in an intersection means a driver is to stop. The red light doesnt chastise the driver when they run it.

Yeah, but the difference here is that God would supposedly not be a small time civic engineer, but rather, the engineer of everything that has ever existed including every tiny faucet of your life.

Like, couldn't he just make the cars stop when it was red?

 

[dust1n]

Even if he doesn't control us is it even possible to do something God didn't plan for?

Apparently. Check: Genesis.

 

[dust1n]

It's his will to allow what happens that he does not will, otherwise, there'd be no point in free will.

So viruses, genetic mutations, combustible powders that send metal objects through humans organs... that was all necessary for free will?

 

[dust1n]

how can anyone know what god allows...

Easy, my personal interpretation of an ancient book is ontological fact. See, I said it, so it must be true.

 

[Tonymai]

Each will creature has a sphere of influence within which he may do or not do the will of God.

 

[dust1n]

I do not believe it is possible to go against God's will. How can you believe that God willed creation, that God willed human nature and all its complexities, that God knows past, present and future, but then believe anything can occur against God's will? And for those who say that we do go against God's will, I'm pretty sure even according to your religion, it is God's will that you are able to behave in a manner that he disapproves.

I wish a girl much like yourself lived our general vicinity. There really isn't enough cute Hindu's, capable of writing coherently, in Pensacola.

But, I'm curious... If God's will aligns with everything that happens, then why do you bother calling it anything other than "everything that happens." Also, if I may, ask, how can you be certain that everything that happens is God's will, instead of being nothing of God's will?

 

[dust1n]

You dont need an OK from God to have a bowel movement.

I think he gave us the okay the moment he made it an essential biological function.

 

[dust1n]

I've said it before and I say it again:
"Trying to follow the "will" of the gods,
is like driving a bumber car without a steering wheel or a brake petal."

Ha, very true. I see it a little like this though:

Trying to follow the will of a single individual, let alone a mass, when driving a bumber car without a steering wheel or a brake petal.

Trying to follow the will of the gods is essentially the same, except you're not actually in the bumber car.

 

[dust1n]

God's will is only concerned with the big picture and free will is concerned with the minor things like hobbies, likes and dislikes etc.?

..., murder, rape, female genitalia mutilation, suicide... you know, all the things God's not concerned with.

 

[Awoon]

Yeah, but the difference here is that God would supposedly not be a small time civic engineer, but rather, the engineer of everything that has ever existed including every tiny faucet of your life.

Like, couldn't he just make the cars stop when it was red?

Start believing and knowing that God is you. You aint God, God is you.

Then all these nit picin threads will be useless.

 

[9Westy9]

..., murder, rape, female genitalia mutilation, suicide... you know, all the things God's not concerned with.

he's got his own agenda . I never said God was personal at all