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Does Atheism provide peace of mind to its adherents?

ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Fool said:
what you don't believe in only contrasts to what you do believe in.

it's called a process of elimination. anything left remaining is possible; unless you prefer to take the stance that anything else is impossible. basically you're implying that atheists believe in nothing. that is untrue. they have faith in science, even temporal findings. organized science does not work from such absolutes. they work from an evolving understanding using hypothesis from previous experience that still contains unknowns and then they test them against what is known.


without belief, hypothesis, an idea, or thought, there is no effect, no action, no realization
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You really don't seem to understand what is actually being explained to you. Allow me to make it clear for you:

Nobody is claiming that atheists don't HAVE beliefs.

All that is being explained is that ATHEISM ITSELF does not necessarily constitute a belief, belief system, worldview or philosophy.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Scott C. said:
I consider myself to have a fairly literal and conservative interpretation of scripture. I'm not sure what I'm saying that makes you feel otherwise.
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So if you don't agree that your scripture paints your god as vindictive, how would you characterize the idea that if you don't believe in him - based on really weak evidence - you'll spend eternity in hell? That seems pretty vindictive to me!
 
Scott C.

Scott C.

Just one guy
icehorse said:
So if you don't agree that your scripture paints your god as vindictive, how would you characterize the idea that if you don't believe in him - based on really weak evidence - you'll spend eternity in hell? That seems pretty vindictive to me!
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As a Mormon I have some different ideas on hell, what it is, who goes there, and how long it lasts. It would take a lengthy post to spell that out. I believe that whatever future a person has in the next life, be it immediate joy or regret with pain, it's all based on God's love and his desire that we progress into happy beings with the right hearts. God's work and joy is to bring about our immortality and eternal life and joy. There's no element of vindictiveness. I'm not doing the subject justice in a brief paragraph.

God knows what we know about him and what evidence he has provided. He knows perfectly well the hearts of all of us and what drives us. In the final analysis, after mortality and a period in the next life, only the most rebellious will choose to reject the God who they know exists, who they know is all loving and who they know wants the best for them.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Scott C. said:
As a Mormon I have some different ideas on hell, what it is, who goes there, and how long it lasts. It would take a lengthy post to spell that out. I believe that whatever future a person has in the next life, be it immediate joy or regret with pain, it's all based on God's love and his desire that we progress into happy beings with the right hearts. God's work and joy is to bring about our immortality and eternal life and joy. There's no element of vindictiveness. I'm not doing the subject justice in a brief paragraph.

God knows what we know about him and what evidence he has provided. He knows perfectly well the hearts of all of us and what drives us. In the final analysis, after mortality and a period in the next life, only the most rebellious will choose to reject the God who they know exists, who they know is all loving and who they know wants the best for them.
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Wait! Are you arguing general Christianity or Mormonism? I've been arguing about general Christianity. Mormonism is fine of course, but Mormons are a tiny slice of the overall Christian population.
 
Scott C.

Scott C.

Just one guy
icehorse said:
Wait! Are you arguing general Christianity or Mormonism? I've been arguing about general Christianity. Mormonism is fine of course, but Mormons are a tiny slice of the overall Christian population.
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Hmmm... I was speaking from a Mormon Christian point of view. I should have been clear.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
JustWondering said:
How is Atheism a fantasy? You're not making any sense. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods. Are you saying my lack of belief in Zeus and Odin is a fantasy? That would imply that you are saying Zeus and Odin are real. Is that what you're saying?
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Atheism is a fantasy from the perspective of a theist. Unless you are claiming to be all knowing? What exactly are you claiming? That deities cannot exist? That certain types of deities cannot exist? Your very vague.
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
q konn said:
Atheism is a fantasy from the perspective of a theist.
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Only if a theist is absolutely certain of the existence of God, or at least has extremely good, rational reasons for concluding God's existence.

Unless you are claiming to be all knowing?
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Why would someone have to be all knowing to be an atheist?

What exactly are you claiming?
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That atheists don't believe in God.

That deities cannot exist? That certain types of deities cannot exist?
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Neither.

Your very vague.
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Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. That's not vague.
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
q konn said:
Atheism is a fantasy from the perspective of a theist. Unless you are claiming to be all knowing? What exactly are you claiming? That deities cannot exist? That certain types of deities cannot exist? Your very vague.
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JustWondering and cambridge79 and SkepticThinker and psychoslice and me are all on the same page here q konn you seem to have lost the book... I don't know where to start explaining if you haven't caught on by now.
 
The Neo Nerd

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
Those people who say "how does atheism account for this, that and the other" think that atheism is the only philosophy that atheists can embrace.

Which is confusingly ignorant.

I mean humanism gives me a sense of social responsibility.

Existentialism gives me a sense of peace.
 
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