Does Contemporary Pornography Spread and Encourage Rape Culture?

[Wherenextcolumbus]

She also laughs and pulls awkward faces when she talks about the state of her own love life. It's really sad. She's messed up and she knows it.

It is really sad. The only up side is that she isn't a contact porn star and therefore can be more honest about it.

 

[Alceste]

It is really sad. The only up side is that she isn't a contact porn star and therefore can be more honest about it.

Totally. I really respect her honesty and frankness.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't know if it spreads and encourages rape, but it definitely spreads and encourages bad sex.

 

[WyattDerp]

Interestingly, she thinks porn is a generally positive thing, but the violent, degrading stuff is sick and wrong. She thinks it should be banned and that people who watch it are sick in the head.

Here's one who'll go you one further.

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The Price of Pleasure - Noam Chomsky on Pornography (Extra Feature) - Available on DVD - YouTube

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Noam Chomsky on Popular Culture and Porn - YouTube

 

[Skwim]

I don't know if it spreads and encourages rape, but it definitely spreads and encourages bad sex.

Exactly what porn encourages bad sex, all porn or just the following: _______fill in the blank__________________ .

 

[dust1n]

Exactly what porn encourages bad sex, all porn or just the following: _______fill in the blank__________________ .

Foot Fetish.

Ladies, please keep your feet away from my bod unless explicitly stated otherwise.

 

[Skwim]

Foot Fetish.

Ladies, please keep your feet away from my bod unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Why is that bad? Feets are neat. They beat bumping along on my seat.

To be truthful, I've never seen foot porn.

 

[dust1n]

Why is that bad? Feets are neat. They beat bumping along on my seat.

To be truthful, I've never seen foot porn.

I'm just kiddin'! Though, I imagine that if a girl was insisted on putting her feet on me, like, on my face, I'd might be taken aback, and I certainly wouldn't want what I've seen before. Besides that I love feet, toes, etc.

I guess I'm come across it. It's just what you might imagine.

 

[Alceste]

Exactly what porn encourages bad sex, all porn or just the following: _______fill in the blank__________________ .

All the porn I've seen would qualify as really bad sex, with the exception of some of the porn I've come across (so to speak) produced by women, and sometimes for women.

 

[Skwim]

All the porn I've seen would qualify as really bad sex, with the exception of some of the porn I've come across (so to speak) produced by women, and sometimes for women.

So then there is some porn that doesn't encourage bad sex.

What is the difference between male orientated porn and porn produced and for women?

 

[Alceste]

So then there is some porn that doesn't encourage bad sex.

What is the difference between male orientated porn and porn produced and for women?

You tell me.

Edit: Probably shouldn't link to it, but look up Erika Lust.

 

[Skwim]

You tell me.

I don't know. I've never paid any attention to who made it or whom it was made for. But you say there is a difference, which is why I asked.

Edit: Probably shouldn't link to it, but look up Erika Lust.

I'll take a look. . . .

. . . .I took a look at her "Cabaret Desire", 01:40 was all I was allowed (I wasn't about to pay to see more of the flick) and except for a few very brief flashes of nudity, I didn't see any hint of porn.

 

[Alceste]

I don't know. I've never paid any attention to who made it or whom it was made for. But you say there is a difference, which is why I asked.

I'll take a look. . . .

. . . .I took a look at her "Cabaret Desire", 01:40 was all I was allowed (I wasn't about to pay to see more of the flick) and except for a few very brief flashes of nudity, I didn't see any hint of porn.

You strike me as a guy who perhaps knows his way around a torrent library or two.

 

[Skwim]

You strike me as a guy who perhaps knows his way around a torrent library or two.

Maybe. What's a torrent library?

 

[Alceste]

Maybe. What's a torrent library?

Oh noes! Well, I can't explain without violating forum rules. Suffice it to say, Erika Lust's material depicts better sex than mainstream porn. Women are not degraded (in fact they actually seem to be enjoying themselves), and the scenarios are derived from fantasies that would appeal to women. It's still very explicit / graphic, it's just not... well, really, really bad sex.

Guys who learned how to have sex from porn as opposed to women seem to think it's supposed to be some kind of marathon of pounding away as hard and fast as possible from a dozen different angles. They also seem to have learned that foreplay, atmosphere and seduction in general are just boxes to be ticked off to get to the pounding phase, rather than an essential part of the entire sexual experience for women.

The fact is, most women can't have orgasms simply from being endlessly pounded away at, as you see in virtually all mainstream porn, and sex is much, much better when both parties are experiencing physical pleasure.

 

[outis]

I could make a case for being able to say something helpful without violating the rules (and I'm not talking about trickery but about what I can honestly guess about the rules' intent). But I know people are weird and ignorant about this topic and the relevant rule is as difficult to interpret as it gets. So I can see how somehow might read what I might say as violating the rules.
And the rules are obviously not enforced most of the time to begin with. Is there somewere where intelligible policies are explained or is this is a forum managed according to Daosit principles?
Actually, I could make at least two cases for saying different things.

 

[dust1n]

I could make a case for being able to say something helpful without violating the rules (and I'm not talking about trickery but about what I can honestly guess about the rules' intent). But I know people are weird and ignorant about this topic and the relevant rule is as difficult to interpret as it gets. So I can see how somehow might read what I might say as violating the rules.
And the rules are obviously not enforced most of the time to begin with. Is there somewere where intelligible policies are explained or is this is a forum managed according to Daosit principles?
Actually, I could make at least two cases for saying different things.

Here's where the intelligible policies are explained. Religious Education Forum - FAQ: vBulletin FAQ

 

[Skwim]

Oh noes! Well, I can't explain without violating forum rules. Suffice it to say, Erika Lust's material depicts better sex than mainstream porn. Women are not degraded (in fact they actually seem to be enjoying themselves), and the scenarios are derived from fantasies that would appeal to women. It's still very explicit / graphic, it's just not... well, really, really bad sex.

Guys who learned how to have sex from porn as opposed to women seem to think it's supposed to be some kind of marathon of pounding away as hard and fast as possible from a dozen different angles. They also seem to have learned that foreplay, atmosphere and seduction in general are just boxes to be ticked off to get to the pounding phase, rather than an essential part of the entire sexual experience for women.

The fact is, most women can't have orgasms simply from being endlessly pounded away at, as you see in virtually all mainstream porn, and sex is much, much better when both parties are experiencing physical pleasure.

Thinking it over, I believe you have a valid point. For the most part the women I've seen in porn aren't nearly as gratified as the men. Some do moan and groan, but it comes off as forced rather than honest pleasure. This isn't to say no woman enjoys being "pounded away" on, but the perspective of most porn is from a man's point of satisfaction, ignoring any hint mutual pleasuring. Occasionally cunnilingus is shown, but I don't believe it's very common component---but I could be wrong about this; I haven't watched all the much porn.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Thinking it over, I believe you have a valid point. For the most part the women I've seen in porn aren't nearly as gratified as the men. Some do moan and groan, but it comes off as forced rather than honest pleasure. This isn't to say no woman enjoys being "pounded away" on, but the perspective of most porn is from a man's point of satisfaction, ignoring any hint mutual pleasuring. Occasionally cunnilingus is shown, but I don't believe it's very common component---but I could be wrong about this; I haven't watched all the much porn.

There are niche markets for people who are looking especially for porn where cunnilingus is the focus. On the other hand, Alceste is right when it comes to those who learned how-to from porn because the act is for the camera, and not what women really like.

To answer the OP, I like some mainstream porn, but find myself preferring porn "for her". Hubby tells me he sometimes can't tell if the actors are doing anything fun in some of the scenes, and I usually tell him, "Oh, they certainly are enjoying it, babe."

Neither one of us likes the more violent porn, and they're a major turn-off for us. He can't imagine why some men (or women) like the "choking" porn where Sasha Grey became well-known, since he sees it as cruel to the women. He's also not alone in his opinion, either.

It's difficult to discern, IMO, what contemporary porn is, tbh, since I see a HUGE variety of niche markets. Female directors in porn are increasing and finding more audiences to sell to, and they're utilizing mobile internet platforms to ensure they're not falling behind tech advances.

 

[outis]

Here's where the intelligible policies are explained. Religious Education Forum - FAQ: vBulletin FAQ

Are you talking about this: "ReligiousForums staff will be the sole arbitrator of whether or not a rule is violated, as well as the sole arbiter of whether a rule has been willfully, repeatedly, or maliciously violated."
Am I right to take this to mean: there's no way you could guess what we're going to make of your posts unless you're part of our tribe?