Does God ever change his plan?

[Where Is God]

it depends on how we interpret very specific verses. the question is do we intrepret these verses in isolation or do we incorperate them into the bible to find their meaning.

I guess that since I am not a typical religious person, my opinion doesn't matter but a "holy" dogma seems something that needs to be taken literally word for word. Why do Christians work on Sunday and allow women to speak in church? The bible clearly forbids this.

 

[BruceDLimber]

God doesn't change His plan, no, but He does alter the social teachings of His religions periodically to match and accomodate humanity's gradually evolving and increasing understanding and abilities!

"Truth is relative" and all that.

Best!

Bruce

 

[Where Is God]

God doesn't change His plan, no, but He does alter the social teachings of His religions periodically to match and accomodate humanity's gradually evolving and increasing understanding and abilities!

"Truth is relative" and all that.

Best!

Bruce

Where does it say that in the bible?

 

[orcel]

God doesn't change His plan, no, but He does alter the social teachings of His religions periodically to match and accomodate humanity's gradually evolving and increasing understanding and abilities!

"Truth is relative" and all that.

Best!

Bruce

Religions are man made institutions based on partical human understandings of Truth. We fill in the blanks with dogma. As humanity developes or changes we change our religions. God however does not change.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well even if he was going to change his plan, since he knows all, he would already know in advance that he was going to change his plan. So why not just make his plan the way it's going to end up anyways? Confusing.

Exactly. If he (she? it?) is perfect, there would be no reason to change anything.....unless.....he is subject to whims & fancies, ie, doing it for fun & variety.
But as you say, he'd know that he would do this. Any change in plans would be pre-planned. Confusing.

 

[orcel]

Exactly. If he (she? it?) is perfect, there would be no reason to change anything.....unless.....he is subject to whims & fancies, ie, doing it for fun & variety.
But as you say, he'd know that he would do this. Any change in plans would be pre-planned. Confusing.

Or perhaps God allows for us to inject our opinion. A common leadership tactic for building a sense of ownership in an issue amoung one staff is to allow for a controlled discussion such that the group eventually comes to a consensious that just happens to reflect the predetermined decision of the boss.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Where does it say that in the bible?

The Bible may not, but it's not the be-all and end-all of scripture!

The scriptures I endeavor to follow make this quite clear!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

Religions are man made institutions based on partical human understandings of Truth. We fill in the blanks with dogma. As humanity developes or changes we change our religions. God however does not change.

You are welcome to your opinion. Mine differs.

That said, religion does change over time, but TRUE religion doesn't change at man's initiative! I agree God doesn't change.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Skwim]

Yes. Free will is entirely illusional.

Explain.

Free will is normally taken to be the ability to make unconstrained choices; in effect making the statement "I could have done differently if I wanted." The opposite of this position is a deterministic one, which contends that everything that happens does so for a reason, and if it were possible to do differently then the underlying cause would necessarily have to be different---you wanted to do what you did because the reasons for doing so were what they were. If you chose A it was because cause X convinced you to. To not do A but B then the cause could not be X but something else (not to say that P or Q couldn't have also caused you to do A). What it comes down to is that the will is not free, but at the mercy of causes. The only alternative is that what you will is an entirely random event, which puts one's actions in the hands chance.

The crucial operative rests in the answer to the question "Why?" Why did you do as you did? The answer functions as the cause. You can't do differently where the same cause of your actions is the determinant. Cause X can not make you do B. There has to be something different about the cause to do so, but this then would change the identity of the cause, making it something other than what it was.

 

[orcel]

You are welcome to your opinion. Mine differs.

That said, religion does change over time, but TRUE religion doesn't change at man's initiative! I agree God doesn't change.

Peace,

Bruce

Bruce, are you perhaps confusing Truth with religion. Religion is a human orginazation designed to understand and bridge the gap between mankind and Truth. Religion is based upon humanity's understanding of Truth. But also our understanding of truth is incomplete so we are forced to fill in the blanks with extra laws and dogma.

For example: I'm Christian: Methodist. Now the Methodist church believes to be drunk is a sin and I agree. However to protect against drunkiness the methodist church has deceided that drinking any alcohol is a sin. I disagree, and been known to enjoy a beer here and there.

So am I sinning when I if i have a beer, or wine. Remember, Jesus drank wine. My human made Methodist religion is flawed. But Truth has been uneffected.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Bruce, are you perhaps confusing Truth with religion. Religion is a human orginazation....

Only in your opinon.

I see it otherwise.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Where Is God]

Free will is normally taken to be the ability to make unconstrained choices; in effect making the statement "I could have done differently if I wanted." The opposite of this position is a deterministic one, which contends that everything that happens does so for a reason, and if it were possible to do differently then the underlying cause would necessarily have to be different---you wanted to do what you did because the reasons for doing so were what they were. If you chose A it was because cause X convinced you to. To not do A but B then the cause could not be X but something else (not to say that P or Q couldn't have also caused you to do A). What it comes down to is that the will is not free, but at the mercy of causes. The only alternative is that what you will is an entirely random event, which puts one's actions in the hands chance.

The crucial operative rests in the answer to the question "Why?" Why did you do as you did? The answer functions as the cause. You can't do differently where the same cause of your actions is the determinant. Cause X can not make you do B. There has to be something different about the cause to do so, but this then would change the identity of the cause, making it something other than what it was.

I believe this is a valid argument: only for animals that are not self conscious. I believe humans have the ability to consider and weigh options presented to them. Just like how we have the ability to have an opinion. Freethinkers especially ponder and determine what is the best belief or action to take.

 

[tarasan]

I guess that since I am not a typical religious person, my opinion doesn't matter but a "holy" dogma seems something that needs to be taken literally word for word. Why do Christians work on Sunday and allow women to speak in church? The bible clearly forbids this.

yes your opinion does matter,

however you havnt justifiied why somethind that is "set appart" needs to be taken literally word for word, especailly when there are parts fo the bible that are clearly allegory e.g. the parables.

actually no the bible doesnt clearly forbid both those things, especially the women speaking in church, to get the real teaching of that book you have to understand that Paul was talking to the people of corinth who were going through specific issues, and you also have to read about the sabath days as well, the bible jesus clearly mentions issues about work, heck even the pharisees did work on the sabbath! it isnt as clear cut as you think.

you see this is the issue when you isolate a few select verses not only from the wider context of the bible but also from the book it is actually written in. you are bound to get disagreements

 

[Where Is God]

yes your opinion does matter,

however you havnt justifiied why somethind that is "set appart" needs to be taken literally word for word, especailly when there are parts fo the bible that are clearly allegory e.g. the parables.

actually no the bible doesnt clearly forbid both those things, especially the women speaking in church, to get the real teaching of that book you have to understand that Paul was talking to the people of corinth who were going through specific issues, and you also have to read about the sabath days as well, the bible jesus clearly mentions issues about work, heck even the pharisees did work on the sabbath! it isnt as clear cut as you think.

you see this is the issue when you isolate a few select verses not only from the wider context of the bible but also from the book it is actually written in. you are bound to get disagreements

This seems pretty clear: *"34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

1 corithians chapter 14

 

[Revoltingest]

Or perhaps God allows for us to inject our opinion. A common leadership tactic for building a sense of ownership in an issue amoung one staff is to allow for a controlled discussion such that the group eventually comes to a consensious that just happens to reflect the predetermined decision of the boss.

He would've known every opinion in advance.
There ain't no surprising Him.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I hope you're not talking to me I am an atheist dummy. I already practice everything you just mentioned clearly you don't know enough about me to assume that I spend the bulk of my life please a false god.

You're still a noob so please refrain from name calling....please.....pretty please with sugar on top...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Explain.

one can not have "free will" and be judge by this supposed god if every aspect of said life (before beginning, beginning, end and after life) is already known by this omniscient god.

 

[Where Is God]

one can not have "free will" and be judge by this supposed god if every aspect of said life (before beginning, beginning, end and after life) is already known by this omniscient god.

Yeah I know, I was questioning how someone can believe both ideas can coexist

 

[Revoltingest]

one can not have "free will" and be judge by this supposed god if every aspect of said life (before beginning, beginning, end and after life) is already known by this omniscient god.

True dat!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yeah I know, I was questioning how someone can believe both ideas can coexist

It is an enigma wrapped in a paradox of which they have created for themselves....:sad: