Ardhanariswar
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If God created evil to be with good so that we may appriciate the goodness in the world, it still doesnt explain why God, himself hates (if he does...)
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Does God Hate?
- Thread starter Ardhanariswar
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I dont understand how any Theist can say that God is both:
a) Beyond our comprehension.
b) A loving God.
If you dont understand something how can you assert that that thing is capable of one thing and not capable of another? If you assert that God cannot hate, then you must understand (at least in part) Gods nature. If not, then you cannot know that God cannot hate.
a) Beyond our comprehension.
b) A loving God.
If you dont understand something how can you assert that that thing is capable of one thing and not capable of another? If you assert that God cannot hate, then you must understand (at least in part) Gods nature. If not, then you cannot know that God cannot hate.
Ardhanariswar
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tawn,
i think you should clarify what type of thiest. Any christian would believe in your two points, but for a hindu, there are two types of *God*.
1. God does not have any specific form or name. In this state God is referred to as nirguNa brahman (attributeless god).
2. God takes forms as perceived by humans and this perceived form is called saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes). These forms could range from calm to fierce to yogic (1). Each form has its significance. For example when one is depressed and sees the form of God Strong and Powerful, the seeker feels the moral boost that God would definitely be the support for the right thing. Similarly when in an auspicious ceremony would like the God to be the calm provider of boons. In a spiritually elevated state, the choice would be the yogic form of God.
The forms provide a basis for the Hindu worshipper to easily pursue the otherwise incomprehensible Supreme. So Hinduism supports both form as well as formless worship of the God. Whether one worships in saguNa or nirguNa way, it is ultimately the same God.
(http://www.shaivam.org/hipgodco.htm)
i think you should clarify what type of thiest. Any christian would believe in your two points, but for a hindu, there are two types of *God*.
1. God does not have any specific form or name. In this state God is referred to as nirguNa brahman (attributeless god).
2. God takes forms as perceived by humans and this perceived form is called saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes). These forms could range from calm to fierce to yogic (1). Each form has its significance. For example when one is depressed and sees the form of God Strong and Powerful, the seeker feels the moral boost that God would definitely be the support for the right thing. Similarly when in an auspicious ceremony would like the God to be the calm provider of boons. In a spiritually elevated state, the choice would be the yogic form of God.
The forms provide a basis for the Hindu worshipper to easily pursue the otherwise incomprehensible Supreme. So Hinduism supports both form as well as formless worship of the God. Whether one worships in saguNa or nirguNa way, it is ultimately the same God.
(http://www.shaivam.org/hipgodco.htm)
Tawn,Tawn said:
We must stop meeting like this! (Either that, or you address me with simple Ideas):bonk:
............."If you assert that God cannot hate, then you must understand (at least in part) God's nature"...............
a) I do believe that God is beyond our comprehension.
2) I think your above sentence is flawed. I assert that God cannot hate not because I understand God's nature - but because I see nothing but Good.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Hate isn't what I call a "base emotion." Hate is fueled by other emotions, such as greed, jealousy, annoyance, or stress. If you take a base emotion, such as love, it can grow into jealousy, which can make you possesive of a lover, which then can be turned into hate towards any one who interacts to closly with the lover. Hate is an extreme emotion on the negative side. Since the gods can control thier emotion, I doubt they hate.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Hate is the absense of love.
If you don't love something, then you simply hate it.
There is no neutral ground, as much as we would like that.
God loves us all.
He feels intense hatred for anything that seperates us from him.
However, he loves us enough to let us make our own decisions. If we do not love him, he will not force us to. If we choose to not be with God, then he will also not compel us to do so.
If you don't love something, then you simply hate it.
There is no neutral ground, as much as we would like that.
God loves us all.
He feels intense hatred for anything that seperates us from him.
However, he loves us enough to let us make our own decisions. If we do not love him, he will not force us to. If we choose to not be with God, then he will also not compel us to do so.
Riven
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I agree with the basic train of thought there, but I don't think love ever engenders hate. There are two base emotions, love and fear. All hate comes from fear. Love doesn't turn into jealousy. Jealousy comes from the fear of being alone, the fear of being made to look foolish, fear of losing something or someone, something like that.Luke Wolf said:
Ormiston
Well-Known Member
I like this discussion as far as in how it applies to humans. But, as far as an omniscient God goes, I don't think it works. I mean that God is responsible for and inside of all things and, therefore, the only thing this God COULD hate would be itself. It kind of reminds me of being a parent. You can't hate your child for having bad manners or you also have to hate yourself for how you raised him/her.Riven said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Tawn,
many believe as you do.
But I believe that Hate is to Love as Dark is to Light. One displaces the other.
many believe as you do.
But I believe that Hate is to Love as Dark is to Light. One displaces the other.
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If someone who is madly in love becomes possessive, jealousy can form
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Don't confuse "corrupted light" with true light.
Christians reflect God's love/light. Some are brilliant relectors and are nearly flawless (like SOGFPP). Some are incredibly dinged and dirty like myself.
But the source is pure... the fewer filters we employ the closer we are to experiencing the true light/love.
Christians reflect God's love/light. Some are brilliant relectors and are nearly flawless (like SOGFPP). Some are incredibly dinged and dirty like myself.
But the source is pure... the fewer filters we employ the closer we are to experiencing the true light/love.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
You want true light? You can't handle true light!
Sorry, had to do a Jack Nicholson paraody there.
Sorry, had to do a Jack Nicholson paraody there.
Ardhanariswar
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hate stems from fear, correct?
so why would God fear? why would we fear God?
so why would God fear? why would we fear God?