Does god make a good parent?

[waitasec]

Yes. I've read the Bible.

You're making assumptions.

yes in fact, i've read it too so, are you making assumptions as well?

if i'm making assumptions please clarify, this is a place were we can debate...

 

[doppelganger]

In the course of observation and experience of self-described "Christians" over the years, I've noticed an uncanny similarity between the "God" that many people interact with and their childhood relationship with their own father. So perhaps "God" is about as good a parent as the father he is replacing.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

Do tell me why you think I should dump him?
What is your reason for thinking so?

If you couldn't tell if I was a JW or not after all that, What makes you think this guy isn't poison or not?.
I question your powers of perception, that's all.

And I am out.

 

[Revoltingest]

Children, children....can't we all just get along?
After all, we're only disagreeing about things which don't exist.

 

[it's_sam]

OK i read back REALLY far and do you guys even remember what you were talking about? wasnt someone accusing someone else of being JW and they arent? Anyway DOES IT MATTER?!?! Disco was heading for death in 1975 maybe that was satan! Maybe it was the birth of the internet is what killed satan "that was around that time". Actualy I think it was more like 83, but it would have been the thoughts that lead to it. We have killed alot of satans"trapping thoughts" in people talking in here. Whatever it was they whent through it was for them in their time, as was every other type of prophecy. All of this is possible, but i still think JW is the cruelest religion for kids to endure prophecy or not.

 

[Autodidact]

Very nice Jon. Now read the whole second column instead of just what the apostates placed arrows on to get a bigger context of the article.

Jumping in here from neutral. Never heard of this controversy before today. the page as an entirety seems to say that the end of the world will come in 1975 or very soon thereafter, days, weeks or months, not years.

 

[Autodidact]

Did you know that if you were to do a google search by typing in "Jehovah's Witnesses" that about 80 of the first 100 hits will be of a derogatory nature if not lies and hate outright?
I have been through all this stuff before countless times. I know all the tricks that have been used. I recognize all the crap immediately, it was so obvious.
Thanks for being honest by posting the link, many wouldn't have done that.
If I ever assume, I will say so. In this case, it was just typical.

Then apparently there was a failed prophecy in 1975. Rather than boast about your rhetorical victories, the onus is now on you to demonstrate that this is not the case.

 

[Autodidact]

I started studying, reluctantly I might add, in 1996 at the age of 42. Baptized in 1998.
In 1997, when I was working in construction, Satan sent to me a plumber who did everything in his power to get to flee from the congregation with accusations and lies that were way beyond the realm of what I have ever faced on any forum. All that did was strengthen my resolve to become stronger spiritually.
If you notice on my avatar, it says "Exiled from the HoC" Yes, I was banned for fielding attacks similar to what you two kids attempted tonight. Unfortunately the harshest attacks came from so called "ChristianS" One was the moderator who had the power of life and death at her finger tips.
Specifically, I was banned for using the term "web sites of lies and hate".

You see, some people are more than happy to dish it out, but can't take it when they are proven wrong or fraudulent.

But I must apologize because I did set you up, because I knew what the Watchtower said about 1975, and I had an article ready that you will never see on the web sites of lies and hate which basically in more detail say the same things that your article said.
Behold;


THE

YEAR 1975​

At the Baltimore assembly Brother Franz in his closing remarks made some interesting comments regarding the year 1975. He began casually by saying, “Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, ‘Say, what does this 1975 mean? Does it mean this, that or any other thing?’” In part, Brother Franz went on to say: ‘You have noticed the chart [on pages 31-35 in the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God]. It shows that 6,000 years of human experience will end in 1975, about nine years from now. What does that mean? Does it mean that God’s rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? IT COULD HAVE. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it. If that is the case, what does that mean to us? [He went into some length showing the feasibility of the 4026 B.C.E. date as being the beginning of God’s rest day.]


‘What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?’ asked Brother Franz. ‘Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? IT COULD! iT COULD! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? IT COULD! Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah’s witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? IT COULD, BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. AND DON'T ANY OF YOU BE SPECIFIC IN SAYING ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.​

The above article comes from the Nov. 15, 1966 Watchtower.​

Nowhere does it say anything other than "maybe" Will the end come tomorrow?? IT COULD! IT COULD! Nothing for certain as the liars would want you to believe.​

As you can see, 9 years before the fact, this warning was put out there not to start any rumors. But the rumors started anyway, and whose fault was it that they were believed? The people who fell for it!


They should have been paying attention.


The web sites of lies and hate are quite skillful in the way they present their deceptions. They are designed to confuse, confound, and outrage the ignorant.


So be careful, dump Jon (if he really is your boyfriend) and get back to meeting. This atheism crap is too unbecoming.​

That's your evidence? Another JW saying it well could? I'm sorry but you're still losing this argument. That actually supports the other side. If one JW says it is, and the other says it could, those two statements are consistent and add up to saying it is. Wow, what a FAIL.

Mind you, this is the first time in my life I heard of Jehovah's Witnesses saying anything about 1975. I didn't even know they were of the habit of prophesying the end times until yesterday.

btw, and again coming from a neutral position, the guy you quoted sounds absolutely insane. Is that stuff basic belief in your religion? Because that is pretty nutty stuff.

 

[Autodidact]

So be careful, dump Jon (if he really is your boyfriend) and get back to meeting. This atheism crap is too unbecoming.​

What a horrible thing to say to someone. Are you a typical Jehovah's Witness?
​

 

[Autodidact]

If you couldn't tell if I was a JW or not after all that, What makes you think this guy isn't poison or not?.
I question your powers of perception, that's all.

And I am out.

Good. And when Anna wants relationship advice from you, believe me, she'll ask for it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

Jon is the only person who isn't poison in my life.
perception, I told him you were a JW before i even read most of your posts.
But I wasn't just going to call you out like an ignorant person, and tell you what you are.
anyways, there are people who support its history that arent believers of the religon. Its happened.

 

[it's_sam]

he wasnt using it as evidence, he was saying they only said JW's thought it was possible and then it got blown out of proportion.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

It wouldn't have been blown out of proportion if the JW's didnt make it that way?
It cant be. It had to be a JW that blew it out of proportion, and the fact that it got blown so FAR out of proportion, that means a HIGH up JW did it.
Everyone was fairly CERTAIN that was suppose to be the end, and then let down YET AGAIN, after it didnt.

 

[waitasec]

I see the words "possibly", "are we to assume" and "it may" but not the words "it will" or "for a certainty"
Care to address this portion of my response?

yes maybe those words were used but to imply the end was coming is absolutely absurd....

you get that?

 

[Pegg]

Why do people want to see the deity, if it exists, in the role of a parent? I never did understand that.

it was really a way for us to understand that we are dependent on him for life in the same way a baby is dependent on its parents for life.

The bible says that God is the 'source of life', so when Adam and Eve pulled away from their source of life, they begin to die. This is something that many do not understand about the genesis account. .It really shows that death was a 'consequence' of disobedience as opposed to a 'punishment'

 

[Smokeless Indica]

It's very sad to me hearing such thoughts coming from a 22 year old girl. Are these the thoughts of todays worldly youth in general?

I'm 20 not 22 and I hardly think I'm a girl. Why does it make you sad? Why would you want to live for an eternity. I would hope there would be some kind of an end.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

I'd never want to live forever. It'd be hell.
Why, if you want to, would you want to, Pegg?

 

[Pegg]

Im glad you posted the article, thanks for that.

What I see the article actually states is:

Are we to assume that the battle of Armageddon will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see...if these two periods run parallel to each other as to a calendar year it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovahs loving timely purposes.
Our chrononology (while reasonably accurate but admittedly not infallible) only points to 1975 as the year that marks the end of 6,000 years of mans existence on earth.

The article, when read in context, shows that the view of the society was that 1975 only marked the end of 6,000 years of mans existence on earth....they did not claim that it would be the end of the world.

As I said to Anna in the other thread, the idea that 1975 would be the end of the world was not coming from the society...it was speculated among individuals who were perhaps hoping that the end would come then....the the society never made such a claim as can be seen from this WT article.

 

[Pegg]

I'd never want to live forever. It'd be hell.
Why, if you want to, would you want to, Pegg?

I agree with you that if we were to live forever right now in the world of today, it would be hell.

but havnt you ever been on a holiday to a beautiful place and had such a great time that you wish it didnt have to end?

If the world was vastly different and we had true freedom to live and enjoy life and not be restricted by the rules of our modern societies....then I think I'd want it to last a very long time.

 

[jonman122]

Im glad you posted the article, thanks for that.

What I see the article actually states is:

Are we to assume that the battle of Armageddon will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see...if these two periods run parallel to each other as to a calendar year it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovahs loving timely purposes.
Our chrononology (while reasonably accurate but admittedly not infallible) only points to 1975 as the year that marks the end of 6,000 years of mans existence on earth.

The article, when read in context, shows that the view of the society was that 1975 only marked the end of 6,000 years of mans existence on earth....they did not claim that it would be the end of the world.

As I said to Anna in the other thread, the idea that 1975 would be the end of the world was not coming from the society...it was speculated among individuals who were perhaps hoping that the end would come then....the the society never made such a claim as can be seen from this WT article.

the only problem with your claim, is that it says in that article that at the end of the 6000 years of gods creation, the world would end. Also, how could it have been blown out of proportion if the Watchtower Society itself didn't do so? Why, if it was such a medium view, would most if not all Jehovah's Witnesses believe that this time would be the end of the world? And why were 30,000 disillusioned and left the religion after this occured? Why did the WTS actually change its entire position after that, and say they aren't sure how long after Adam was made that Eve was, thus saying she could have been made nearly anytime before christ?