Does god make a good parent?

[AnnaTheBeast]

I agree with you that if we were to live forever right now in the world of today, it would be hell.

but havnt you ever been on a holiday to a beautiful place and had such a great time that you wish it didnt have to end?

If the world was vastly different and we had true freedom to live and enjoy life and not be restricted by the rules of our modern societies....then I think I'd want it to last a very long time.

I wouldnt want to period. not even in a perfect different world.

 

[Pegg]

the only problem with your claim, is that it says in that article that at the end of the 6000 years of gods creation, the world would end. Also, how could it have been blown out of proportion if the Watchtower Society itself didn't do so? Why, if it was such a medium view, would most if not all Jehovah's Witnesses believe that this time would be the end of the world? And why were 30,000 disillusioned and left the religion after this occured? Why did the WTS actually change its entire position after that, and say they aren't sure how long after Adam was made that Eve was, thus saying she could have been made nearly anytime before christ?

Can you show me in the article where it is stated that at the end of 6,000 years the world would end?

And the reason why it got blown out of proportion is because those 30,000 jw's who left after 1975 had the wrong expectation and they were obviously the ones speculating on something the society never really said. Sometimes I speculate on things too, but I dont take my own speculations so seriously that I view them as 100% true and start preaching that this is what the WT says is going to happen.

The WT position from the very beginning was that "1975 marked 6,000 years of human history" That was all they were saying. Adam was created in the year 4026BCE and the year 1975 marked 6,000 years of human history from the time of his creation.

 

[jonman122]

Can you show me in the article where it is stated that at the end of 6,000 years the world would end?

And the reason why it got blown out of proportion is because those 30,000 jw's who left after 1975 had the wrong expectation and they were obviously the ones speculating on something the society never really said. Sometimes I speculate on things too, but I dont take my own speculations so seriously that I view them as 100% true and start preaching that this is what the WT says is going to happen.

The WT position from the very beginning was that "1975 marked 6,000 years of human history" That was all they were saying. Adam was created in the year 4026BCE and the year 1975 marked 6,000 years of human history from the time of his creation.

it clearly says in the article that that most likely marks the end of man, or armageddon or whatever you want to call it. they claimed their dates to be off by weeks or months, and now they claim it to be any time in the future up to 4000 years.

 

[Pegg]

I wouldnt want to period. not even in a perfect different world.

I guess thats why some people are attracted to the Jehovahs organization... some of us actually want what God is offering. I know that there is nothing after death so its not that im afraid of death...not at all.

But the fact is that I just can imagine not being here....there is so much I want to do and experience. We are very restricted in this world by time and money...if you dont have a lot of either then there is not much we can accomplish in our lifetimes. But imagine if money was not object and you had all the time in the world...you could do anything you desired.

 

[jonman122]

I guess thats why some people are attracted to the Jehovahs organization... some of us actually want what God is offering. I know that there is nothing after death so its not that im afraid of death...not at all.

But the fact is that I just can imagine not being here....there is so much I want to do and experience. We are very restricted in this world by time and money...if you dont have a lot of either then there is not much we can accomplish in our lifetimes. But imagine if money was not object and you had all the time in the world...you could do anything you desired.

then do it now, why would you want to hold your breath until god decides to bring about armageddon and that could be anytime in the next 4000 years? why not experience it while you live?

also, the little hand on the side of the article points to where it says that it marks the time of armageddon.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

I guess thats why some people are attracted to the Jehovahs organization... some of us actually want what God is offering. I know that there is nothing after death so its not that im afraid of death...not at all.

But the fact is that I just can imagine not being here....there is so much I want to do and experience. We are very restricted in this world by time and money...if you dont have a lot of either then there is not much we can accomplish in our lifetimes. But imagine if money was not object and you had all the time in the world...you could do anything you desired.

or you could work harder now, get the things you want by going to get htem instead of waiting for the new system of things to bring it to you because that is a sad existance. To wait and when nothing comes you are dead and gone not experienceing alot of things =/

 

[Pegg]

it clearly says in the article that that most likely marks the end of man, or armageddon or whatever you want to call it. they claimed their dates to be off by weeks or months, and now they claim it to be any time in the future up to 4000 years.

Ah, now you see what you've done? You have done exactly what many people who read that article in 1968 had done....they misread it. Nowhere in the article does it say that in 1975 the end of the world will come yet that is what you think its saying.

The article says it could possibly come but we dont know when. The reason why they say it could possibly come is because no one knows the time and day for armageddon. For all we know it could come tomorrow or the day after that or the day after that. The important thing is that we remain in expectation of it and are ready for when it finally does come.

 

[jonman122]

Ah, now you see what you've done? You have done exactly what many people who read that article in 1968 had done....they misread it. Nowhere in the article does it say that in 1975 the end of the world will come yet that is what you think its saying.

The article says it could possibly come but we dont know when. The reason why they say it could possibly come is because no one knows the time and day for armageddon. For all we know it could come tomorrow or the day after that or the day after that. The important thing is that we remain in expectation of it and are ready for when it finally does come.

the term "live every day like it's your last" doesn't mean you should hide the your basement and shudder in fear, it means go out and make the best out of what you have and have fun and live life.

 

[Pegg]

then do it now, why would you want to hold your breath until god decides to bring about armageddon and that could be anytime in the next 4000 years? why not experience it while you live?

because i dont have enough money and i dont have enough time

also, the little hand on the side of the article points to where it says that it marks the time of armageddon.

Its clearly been taken out of context. Look at the last sentence in the paragraph before it. It says
"it will be six thousand years since the creation of Adam, the father of mankind"

Then the new paragraph starts:
"Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975..."

Basically, if people thought that this article about the time of Adams creation means that 1975 would mark then end of Armageddon, then its only an assumption. That's what the article is stating.

 

[jonman122]

because i dont have enough money and i dont have enough time

who's fault is that? the worlds? because you don't have enough time to do the things you would rather do, you have to believe that when the world ends you will have all the time in the universe to do whatever you please? (even though we know the sun will eventually explode and will destroy the earth and everything we know?)

Its clearly been taken out of context. Look at the last sentence in the paragraph before it. It says
"it will be six thousand years since the creation of Adam, the father of mankind"

Then the new paragraph starts:
"Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975..."

Basically, if people thought that this article about the time of Adams creation means that 1975 would mark then end of Armageddon, then its only an assumption. That's what the article is stating.

it's the WTS thats assuming it though, if you haven't noticed.

 

[Pegg]

the term "live every day like it's your last" doesn't mean you should hide the your basement and shudder in fear, it means go out and make the best out of what you have and have fun and live life.

Yeah i used to live like that when i was your age too

I admit that I had a lot of fun but I wasnt really happy. When the fun was over the reality was still a screwed up & empty world. I just want to see things better for everyone. I was a teenager in the years of the ethiopian famine and images of those starving babies and Aids affected africa... has that situation got any better? NO.

Im much happier now knowing that there is an answer to such problems...I know none of that is my personal problem, but it affected me to see it happening and knowing that I, nor anyone else, had the power to change it. I know that God has the power to change it and thats what Armageddon will do...it will right all the wrongs which is why its so important to me.

 

[Pegg]

it's the WTS thats assuming it though, if you haven't noticed.

No, that article does no such thing...it does the opposite in fact.

Even my agnostic husband could see that when we looked into the subject together...he was like you and anna who believed that the society were saying that end was coming in 1975 and he used some anti jw websites to prove it to me. Initially I thought he was right because the websites really did appear to present the evidence, but then when we read the actual articles from the WT together he saw that they had been taken out of context....an he's a very logical thinker

 

[jonman122]

No, that article does no such thing...it does the opposite in fact.

Even my agnostic husband could see that when we looked into the subject together...he was like you and anna who believed that the society were saying that end was coming in 1975 and he used some anti jw websites to prove it to me. Initially I thought he was right because the websites really did appear to present the evidence, but then when we read the actual articles from the WT together he saw that they had been taken out of context....an he's a very logical thinker

actually:

 

[Pegg]

actually:

Ah, yes that is question. Are we to assume...?

What does it mean to assume?

From the online dictionary:
as·sume as·sumed, as·sum·ing, as·sumes
1. To take upon oneself: assume responsibility; assume another's debts.
2. To undertake the duties of (an office): assumed the presidency.
3. To take on; adopt: "The god assumes a human form" (John Ruskin).
4. To put on; don: The queen assumed a velvet robe.
5. To affect the appearance or possession of; feign.
6. To take for granted; suppose: assumed that prices would rise. See Synonyms at presume.
7. To take over without justification; seize: assume control.


If you assume something you are supposing, speculating...or believing something without justification.

Thats exactly what people did with regard to the year 1975. they wrongly assumed that the society were implying that the end would come in that year. That belief was unfounded and unjustified because the society said no such thing.

 

[AnnaTheBeast]

Ah, yes that is question. Are we to assume...?

What does it mean to assume?

From the online dictionary:
as·sume as·sumed, as·sum·ing, as·sumes
1. To take upon oneself: assume responsibility; assume another's debts.
2. To undertake the duties of (an office): assumed the presidency.
3. To take on; adopt: "The god assumes a human form" (John Ruskin).
4. To put on; don: The queen assumed a velvet robe.
5. To affect the appearance or possession of; feign.
6. To take for granted; suppose: assumed that prices would rise. See Synonyms at presume.
7. To take over without justification; seize: assume control.


If you assume something you are supposing, speculating...or believing something without justification.

Thats exactly what people did with regard to the year 1975. they wrongly assumed that the society were implying that the end would come in that year. That belief was unfounded and unjustified because the society said no such thing.

They did say that it would be the end if not THEN it would be days, weeks or months, not years. You can say what you will but its still in writing.

 

[Pegg]

Jons at work. he'll probably answer you when he is home.
They did say that it would be the end if not THEN it would be days, weeks or months, not years. You can say what you will but its still in writing.

no, what the article says is that
"IF the two time periods do coincide then we can be sure that armageddon would come within days weeks or months, not years"

They certainly did not say that those two time periods were about to coincide though (that is 6,000 years of mans creation and the 1,000 reign on christ)

What they stated was correct. IF those two time periods were going to coincide then, yes, armageddon would have come fairly soon....but they were not saying the those two dates were going to coincide.

 

[no-body]

If God = YAHWEH/JEHOVAH then I agree He is a terrible parent when seen through human terms. More like a tyrant as has been mentioned in this thread. In fact I see Lucifer and all those who would fight against this petty God as the most bravest, heroic beings imaginable as they are going against an entire system which they rightly see as unjust and set up for blind obedience. They reject immortality and mindless pleasure for a lifetime of death, and they already know they can't win, something that sounds a thousand times more noble than killing yourself for rules you set up in the first place to garner more worshipers and guaranteed immortality and power.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

he wasnt using it as evidence, he was saying they only said JW's thought it was possible and then it got blown out of proportion.

And there you have it heathens!!!!!!

How hard was that to figure out? All anybody had to do was read and discern, but defending fellow heathens is paramount.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

yes maybe those words were used but to imply the end was coming is absolutely absurd....

you get that?

No reading comprehension here with this one either.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

OK, what a day.