Does god want us to obey our goverments?

[Valjean]

Isn't the idea of having no leader what Satan projected for himself and also wanted Adam and Eve to believe?

No it isn't.
Why would I need a leader? I can find my way to work on time. I can find my way home. I know where to buy food and light bulbs. What could a leader do for me?

By disobeying God, Adam was taking the law into his own hands and set up people rule or self rule over God rule as the best way of living.
The conditions in the world today are showing the result of such independent rule, or the result of rejecting God as leader in order to direct or guide them by his morals, principles or standards.

I get the opposite impression. In secular western Europe, where a good part of the population doesn't even believe in God, society is safe and orderly and people are prosperous and healthy. In the middle East where governments try to rule by God's laws, society is often chaotic and unsafe and people are poor and struggling.

 

[Heneni]

No it isn't.
Why would I need a leader? I can find my way to work on time. I can find my way home. I know where to buy food and light bulbs. What could a leader do for me?

People elect leaders. Do you vote?

I understand that you dont need a leader to govern yourself you can do that by yourself. But what if there was no goverment? How would you live?

But without a goverment all sorts of problems arise.

For example: Where do you get food? You can plant your own veggies and raise your own cow and slaughter your own pig, but where do you get the cow, the pig, the chickens? And what if somebody stole your cow and only pig and ransacked your veggie garden? Do you yourself kill the one who stole, get your cow back, in pieces, and hope the guy has a veggie garden that will grow so you can get your veggies back. Is murdering a guy for stealing your cow justice in your eyes or justice in the majority of people's eyes.

Where would you live? What right would you have to a patch of land over somebody else that feels they have the same right to it. How do you settle land disputes?

What if someone felt your back garden was a suitable place to dump rubbish. You govern yourself yes, and they could very well think they are doing the same. Keeping the rubbish of their front porch is the right thing to do in their opinion. What if their sense of right and wrong, is just not according to your standards? What if your rights and their rights clash?

What do you do when you drink tap water contaminated by chemicals? How do you go about getting compensation for the cancer that developed because of it?

Heneni

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Of course perfect people die, it depends on who's definition of perfect you are using. Since I have no belief in a god thing perfect to me will be different that perfect to you.


I'm still trying to make any sense of your premise that intelligent life cannot exist anywhere in the cosmos because of adam and eve???????????? What the hell are you talking about?????? Do you think on a planet 200 million light years away there is an Adam and eve???? I don't mean to be rude but you have a very warped idea about how the world around you works, and those warped ideas seem to extent well into the cosmos.

Biblical definition of perfection would be one that does not sin.
If one could stop sinning one would not die.
James (3:2,8) says a perfect man can bridle or control his tongue.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I see killing in the name of God more than any other, especially by political leaders.

Who did Jesus ever send out to kill 'in his name'?

Matthew chapter seven shows many would come in Jesus name but prove false.
Killing in Jesus name does not make the Bible false but makes those using Jesus name to further their own agenda whether political or religious as false.

Mark 7:7; Matthew 15:9

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Remember that Adam and eve could be just a myth.

As for intelligent life in the universe, Why would God create a big Universe with more than a few trillion trillion stars with even more planets, if life was only possible and created on earth? It just doesn't make sense. And how can we who never left our close comfort of earth say there is no life if we didn't go there. And Remember that A few hundred years ago, according to the church at that time, with biblical proof, said that the earth was flat, with hell below and "Heaven" above. anyone who believed otherwise was burned at the stake as a heretic

At the moment, temporarily, until Jesus thousand-year reign intelligent physical life will only be here. The issue or challenge that Satan charged that involved not only Adam and Eve but as Job (2:4) shows involves us.

Once all wickedness is removed from earth (Psalm 92:7) and all wickedness in the spirit realm (Hebrews 2:14 b) is removed then as the book of Revelation shows new books or scrolls will be opened.

So it is not a case that it is not possible to have intelligent life elsewhere but first to insure the sin problem we have here will never happen again anywhere in the universe or possible universes.


Side note: the churches never had biblical proof the earth was flat.
Isaiah 40:22 a; Job 22:14.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No it isn't.
Why would I need a leader? I can find my way to work on time. I can find my way home. I know where to buy food and light bulbs. What could a leader do for me?


I get the opposite impression. In secular western Europe, where a good part of the population doesn't even believe in God, society is safe and orderly and people are prosperous and healthy. In the middle East where governments try to rule by God's laws, society is often chaotic and unsafe and people are poor and struggling.

Because we have within us a moral sense is because mankind was created with a functioning conscience. Don't all peoples, religious or not, have a conscience? The closer a person's conscience is to the Golden Rule the more godly they are in practice.

Romans (2:14,15) shows because of conscience even people of the nations will do by nature the things of the law. A person's conscience can accuse or excuse a person. A person's conscience can be hardened to the point that who would want the conscience of a serial killer?

Anyone can say they rule by God's law, but if they compare their laws with God's law of principled love, do they really rule by Christ-like love?