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Does God Want You to Suffer?
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Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Which god is this? I think you need to look in god concepts more instead of trying to pin this on some pathetic being you wish to try and use for your lack of understanding of the subject my friend.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Right, and how do you know this? You're only spewing out crap about one god concept(namely it sounds like the Christian one). Since this is an Religious Education forum why do you educate yourself in the Subject.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Yes I believe what you said..I HEAR the men say "he didnt committ adultery"So the woman (in this case) is STUCK because she has no 'Biblical cause" to divorce for verbal abuse against her and the children.And Im not "divorce happy" ..I mean if he got frustrated and said "you b" one time..or said the kids were "brats"..We all shoot off at the mouth sometimes..
This was No matter HOW severe it is NO Christian should "advise divorce".Because NOTHING but adultery is "grounds".
I could live with adultery one time.(grounds for divorce) but NOT ongoing verbal abuse against myself and my children.Or maybe I couldnt live with adultery..But I do NOT see how if its not adultery (screwing someone else) These men would say..YOu have "no Biblical grounds"..
Its SICK!
It makes me want to throw up .(or burp really loud).and say curse words.
Love
Dallas
Heneni
Miss Independent
I wish i had more time to go into it. To explain what good suffering does will take some time. But is there evidence in the bible that we will suffer?
Yes, i will list them here and perhaps later when i have more time, explain why christian suffering is key to the gospel of Jesus
'For whoever would save his life, will loose it, but whoever looses his life for my sake will save it''
''A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you''
''Behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves''
''You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. You will be hated by all for my name's sake''
''Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of god''
''Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in christ jesus will be persecuted''
''If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you''
''Indeed, we felt that we had received the sentence of death. But that was to make us rely not on ourselves but on god, who raises the dead''
Heneni
Yes, i will list them here and perhaps later when i have more time, explain why christian suffering is key to the gospel of Jesus
'For whoever would save his life, will loose it, but whoever looses his life for my sake will save it''
''A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you''
''Behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves''
''You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. You will be hated by all for my name's sake''
''Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of god''
''Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in christ jesus will be persecuted''
''If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you''
''Indeed, we felt that we had received the sentence of death. But that was to make us rely not on ourselves but on god, who raises the dead''
Heneni
rojse
RF Addict
On the other hand, Dallas, there are many women also desire divorce from their husbands, and I don't think it fair to say that the man is always at fault, here.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
I never said "man" (men) were "always at fault.I realize good men are everwhere that some women dont "accept" ..thats not the point.
I mean no "offense"' to the wonderful and awesome men out there.
Love
Dallas
rojse
RF Addict
I thought your post was only criticising men for wishing to remove the "no-fault" clause, and for wishing to use adultery as reasonable grounds for divorce.
If one partner has committed adultery, regardless of their gender, do you think this is reasonable grounds for divorce or not?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Whether a hypothetical god wants people to suffer is a rather moot point, as the vast majority of humanity does a bang-up job of causing, and relishing in, plenty of their own suffering.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I'm gonna say no - or, God doesn't care - or is unaware (oo, am I leaning into Deism?), or a number of other factors that detract from a "yes" or "no" answer. 
As atotalstranger said, the vast majority of humanity does a bang-up job of causing their own suffering.
Since humanity is capable of causing its own suffering, I would like to think that humanity is capable of relieving- perhaps even one day eliminating permanently - its own suffering.
As atotalstranger said, the vast majority of humanity does a bang-up job of causing their own suffering.
Since humanity is capable of causing its own suffering, I would like to think that humanity is capable of relieving- perhaps even one day eliminating permanently - its own suffering.
Heneni
Miss Independent
I agree with this statement. Mankind is responsible for most of the suffering that the world experiences. However instead of suffering pointlessly christians can suffer for a reason. It is better to suffer for doing good than it is for doing evil. And it is even worse if you are the one causing the suffering. God gave this mandate to mankind. Rule and dominate. Not search and destroy.
God bless!
Heneni
Heneni
Miss Independent
I think that is a very noble idea. If only it would happen! . But from a christian perspective there is nothing good that dwells in mankind.
Romans 7:18
18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.
1 Peter 2:
But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Living on this earth is suffering to me. Suffering builds patience and faith.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Indeed suffering as a christian does produce endurance, and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And to endure...we need patience.
Heneni
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Surely not, though
Many people donate to charity, volunteer, do aid work in poorer countries - surely these are deeds that are good. I believe humans lean to good rather than from it. Some, maybe even many of them do not do it for a reward, especially not an eternal reward."If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -- Albert Einstein
(Sorry, had to
)Many do it because they would like to be able to help minimize suffering, even if just a little bit. It's egoism, selfishness, attachment and greed, and just general criminology that bring people to evil.
I'm not a fan of Paul, if I'm honest. I think there were certain issues going on in his life that made him hate himself, which is why he wrote such things.
As to nothing good dwells in mankind Biblically speaking...
Matthew 7:9-10 "Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?" - Jesus here shows that he believed that humans do have some empathy. So, imagine if we consider all to be our siblings and children, how much good we can do. Love your neighbour as yourself and all that.
I know, in the next verse, Jesus says "though you are evil", I don't believe this means that people are inherently evil, but that usually* even the most wicked of humankind has a sense of empathy and is capable of doing good things.
This is my take on it, anyway
Heneni
Miss Independent
Surely not, though
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -- Albert Einstein
(Sorry, had to
Many do it because they would like to be able to help minimize suffering, even if just a little bit. It's egoism, selfishness, attachment and greed, and just general criminology that bring people to evil.
I'm not a fan of Paul, if I'm honest. I think there were certain issues going on in his life that made him hate himself, which is why he wrote such things.
As to nothing good dwells in mankind Biblically speaking...
Matthew 7:9-10 "Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?" - Jesus here shows that he believed that humans do have some empathy. So, imagine if we consider all to be our siblings and children, how much good we can do. Love your neighbour as yourself and all that.
I know, in the next verse, Jesus says "though you are evil", I don't believe this means that people are inherently evil, but that usually* even the most wicked of humankind has a sense of empathy and is capable of doing good things.
This is my take on it, anyway
Well you smile a lot....thats a good thing.
There are many people that cause suffering and then there are people who ease the suffering of others. I guess the best thing to do, would to not be the one causing the suffering. We see in the bible an account of a congregation that gave out of their poverty. This account demonstrates that the act of giving was an act of gods grace through them. So even though there are many people who do good deeds, and that is great, there are only a few who do so by the inspiration of the God.
2 Cor 8:1
And now, brothers, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. 2Out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. 3For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the saints. 5And they did not do as we expected, but they gave themselves first to the Lord and then to us in keeping with God's will. 6So we urged Titus, since he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part.
We see that all giving that is as a direct act of goodness inspired by the grace of god, bears fruit for the kingdom of god. Such good deeds will always bear fruit.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
The concept of heaven isn't stupid. A "heaven" state would include eternal growth and learning. You continue to develop as a being growing in light and knowledge. There is no end to what you can become and do. That is what heaven is. Heaven is living. It's moving. It's going somewhere. "Hell" is not continueing, not growing, not expanding your personal abilities. The word "damned" implies this. Its being stuck. It's not moving forward. We damn ourselves by getting stuck in endless, stupid circles that lead us no where like achieving power, wealth, fame etc... It's a very common and tragic character flaw.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
Surely not, though
Many do it because they would like to be able to help minimize suffering, even if just a little bit. It's egoism, selfishness, attachment and greed, and just general criminology that bring people to evil.
I believe this is the result of the quality Charity. I believe that at the heart of Jesus' message is a message of love. I suppose that many Christians may do good things only because they want a reward. I do not believe this is Christ's Gospel. Jesus taught that the two commandments on which all the law and the prophets stood were: 1. Love the Lord. And 2. Love thy neighbor. These two being the foundation, it is clear that we are to act out of love. Jesus once asked his disciples "What manner of men ought ye to be, verily even as I am." Did Jesus do the things he did because he wanted some kind of reward? No. He healed the sick and the afflicted because he loved them. What kind of people should we be? The kind that cares for others without regard to self. Everything we do should be a direct result of our love for others. In my book, this is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
