Does Jeremiah 23:5-6 say Jesus was God?

[silenceinmotion]

Ah "What you've been told", and is this the Spirit which is telling you this? As for "logically induced from metaphysical reasoning", I say the same thing for my own view, except I can find hundreds of sites that back my view, even if its not the majority view, and with logical scriptural analysis to boot.

As for "Unbiased, reasoned way", I don't think you'll be able to define it reasonably or without bias. But to be fair you can call any interpretation "biased". The difference is if you go in with a Trinitarian presumption or not.

Not to be crude, but the sites you have visited just throw Scripture which is (relatively) poorly discerned.
I've been through the knocking block on the subject. Greek philosophy is no small object one just pushes over. And when I say deduced, I mean from a scientific perspective. I try not to push unfounded opinion on anything.

 

[Sleeppy]

And your view isn't twisting anything of course.

I put all faith in God. Did you want to say something?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

He didn't know he was God. In fact, he didn't even know he was the Messiah until near the end of his 20's.

Then how do you explain what Jesus said at age 12 ? [Luke 2 vs 42-49]

 

[Shermana]

I put all faith in God. Did you want to say something?

So Muslims don't? I don't? What does you putting all faith in God have anything to do with whether you translate it correctly? Do people who translate it differently NOT put full faith in God?

 

[Shermana]

]Not to be crude, but the sites you have visited just throw Scripture which is (relatively) poorly discerned.

Wow, you must have some amazing ability to know all the sites I've visited and to know how they are all wrong in one fell swoop, amazing! Not the least dishonest of you in the slightest. Would you be down to actually go over some of the sites and show where exactly they are wrong when I get back from Sabbath?

I've been through the knocking block on the subject. Greek philosophy is no small object one just pushes over. And when I say deduced, I mean from a scientific perspective. I try not to push unfounded opinion on anything

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Ah, so your view is from a "Scientific perspective" too. Good luck getting a single person to agree with your views.

 

[Sleeppy]

So Muslims don't? I don't? What does you putting all faith in God have anything to do with whether you translate it correctly? Do people who translate it differently NOT put full faith in God?

It has everything to do with it. As far as I know, you and I are both the sons of Adam. We've inherited much of what we have from him, and from God. You need no reminder that it was the misplacing of faith in God's will that caused Adam, and everyone in him, to die? It has been faith, from Noah onward to Abraham and David that made them great. So, to me, the scriptures are clear in that. I don't worry about my interpretations. I have faith in God's will - that He will be my Shepherd, my God, my Father. I'll let him open my eyes and ears as He sees fit.

 

[Bob Dixon]

Not to be crude, but the sites you have visited just throw Scripture which is (relatively) poorly discerned.
I've been through the knocking block on the subject. Greek philosophy is no small object one just pushes over. And when I say deduced, I mean from a scientific perspective. I try not to push unfounded opinion on anything.

What does Greek Philosophy have to do with Judaism?

 

[Harmonious]

It has been argued as if matter of fact on the "Did Jesus say he was God" thread that Jeremiah 23:5-6 says the Savior will be named YHWH. Is this a true statement or is this a blatantly false statement that doesn't take into account Hebrew grammar and goes by biased Trinitarian translations that also don't take Hebrew grammar into account to support their doctrine?

I looked this up in Hebrew, so I could see what this was all about.

I found an easy to read translation - the Judaica Press, for the above verses, and this is what it is.

5. Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, when I will set up of David a righteous shoot, and he shall reign a king and prosper, and he shall perform judgment and righteousness in the land. 6. In his days, Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely, and this is his name that he shall be called, The Lord is our righteousness.

And then I focused on the cause of the debate. The name of this fellow will be "Hashem Tzidkeinu," or "the Lord is our righteousness." But the thing is, this isn't referring to God.

This Shoot of David is being given a name. Michael, for example, is properly translated as "Who is like God?" Gabriel is properly translated as "Strength of God." Raphael is "Healing of God."

None of these names refer to God Himself, especially when humans have these names.

This fellow's name is listed as "The Lord is our Righteousness." This doesn't mean that this fellow will BE God, any more than people with the other names I mentioned are.

 

[Harmonious]

Nothing in Jewish scripture has anything to do with Jesus.

He may be the Christian god but he isn't in any form the Jewish one.

That's a pretty standard statement for a Jew, isn't it? A Christian might say the exact opposite, right?

Perhaps. It doesn't make Mike's comment less valid, though.