I believe the scriptures reveal ONE GOD comprised of three Persons:
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I understand that you ‘believe that scriptures reveals’ what you think.
But you are, I think, deluded by the argument concerning God being ‘One’.
The scriptures does not make any claim to what you say you ‘believe’. It is simply what you have been told, I believe, by trinitarian ideology and the fact that most churches are trinitarian, thereby reinforcing the false ideology, in that you cannot call yourself ‘Christian’ unless you confess to the fallacy of trinity. Unless you have the Mark of trinity on your brow you cannot be a part of the earthly church. This is what SCARES the congregation into forcibly believing the fallacy, just as the Church, in the past, scared its congregation into believing the idea that the Earth was the centre of the solar system ... You would literally be KILLED unless you believe this fallacy - how embarrassing it was when Galileo and Copernicus proved that if was not so.
How will you feel when you come to the realisation that a trinity God, expounded by the ‘earthly Church’, is all just a fallacy?
As the scriptures say..
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Colossians 1:16-17
I would urge you to examine the text CAREFULLY. Remember that you will later say that the Father is the one with all power and authority and then delegates it to the Son. So those verses are at odds with the belief that it is the Son who created all things, etc.
- “All things were created ‘by him and for him’”?
If you check, you will see that the verses are absolutely INCONGRUOUS. They are straight out of left field! They suggest that it is the Son, Jesus, who created all things by himself, for himself.
Yet Genesis 1:1 tells us that it is GOD that created all things FOR HIMSELF, for his pleasure. Indeed, scriptures tells us that God, who we know by his name: ‘YHWH’ (Yahweh / Jehovah/ ...) says that He, and He “ALONE” created the world.
So we are to believe that Jesus, the son, is YHWH, who, alone, created all things IN HEAVEN and the physical world BY HIMSELF and FOR HIMSELF.
But that is not sense. A Father CREATES... indeed that is what ‘
Father’ means (by CONTEXT)....
- ‘He who Brings Forth...’;
- ‘He who Creates...’;
- ‘He who Brings into being...’;
- ‘He who is Head...’
Jesus is the ‘head’ of the spiritual church - but the church BELONGS to God; to YHWH. This is akin to Jesus being shepherd of the sheep... but the sheep BELONG to the Master... the shepherd is the SERVANT of the master.
Indeed, Jesus gives thanks to YHWH for the ‘Sheep’ that YHWH, his Father, and God, gives him: the apostles.
Paul writes concerning Jesus after Jesus is risen and in Heaven. The Father GAVE HIM power and authority to rule for ‘a thousand years’, which is why Paul states that Jesus is ‘Before all things’... and the firstborn from the dead (trinity claims Jesus did not die!!) and in doing so was the PREEMINENCE of those who are to obtain everlasting life.
Yahweh God is
eternal. He
change not. So Yahweh CANNOT
BECOME preeminent. To ‘Become’ implies a transition from ‘
IS NOT’ to ‘
IS’!
Yes, the Son came to earth and became flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ- fully God/ Son of God, fully Man / Son of Man.
Of course Jesus in His FLESH/HUMANITY died, as the scriptures testify.
’...CAME TO EARTH... and ‘BECAME FLESH’? Surely, if you claim Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD, you are ‘bringing GOD down to earth’!!! That is an abomination of GODSHIP and is completely PAGAN - as the Egyptians and the Greeks, etc, claim their ‘gods’ became humans on Earth - what you exactly state as ‘GOD-MEN’ or ‘Man-Gods’.
According to the scriptures His flesh died and was raised again to new eternal life for our sake; that all humans who have forgiveness through Christ by faith may have eternal life because Jesus paid the penalty for sin, conquered death and rose again.
Jesus is the one and only unique, eternal fully human-fully God Being in existence.
To die in the flesh is for the enlivening Spirit within the body to depart from it. The spirit of all living being that are made in the image of GOD, goes BACK in a latent manner, to GOD. This is the same manner in which Jesus died as every man who dies. Trinity cannot confess to ‘Jesus-GOD’ dying so it invents a disingenuous scenario in which Jesus’ spirit was still ACTIVE AS GOD. Effectively then, Jesus DID NOT DIE! Why then does the CHURCH weep for Jesus’s DEATH and have joy at his being RAISED UP again... the memorials and celebrations are then all a farce!
Oh, and don’t think I didn’t notice that you skipped the part about who raised to Jesus FROM THE DEAD .... oh, “he WAS NOT DEAD”, you say!
So all the verses stating that ‘
GOD raised up Jesus...’ are then false! Yes?
When you say “period of time “ what are you referring to? Scriptures references would have been helpful.
I am dismayed that I am discoursing with someone who does not know the scriptures yet demands that know the scriptures.
As I said, Jesus is now a one of a kind an Eternal human/God Being, so there is no inconsistency with Him seated next to His Father God.
‘IS NOW’... ‘GOD CHANGETH NOT’... he cannot ‘BECOME’... because ‘GOD IS’... that is the meaning of his name: YHWH; ‘I Am’!. How many times does scriptures proclaim Jesus as BECOMING something that he WAS NOT... count them?
Could you clarify your question and include a scripture reference?
Are you unaware of these VITAL verses and scripts? How then are you debating scriptures - surely you should then understand why you are lacking the knowledge of the truth and are wrongfully subscribing to what others have taught you in their delusion. The things you demand I show you strike deeply at the heart of your lack of understanding. A space scientist does not embark on a mission to send a spacecraft to another heavenly body YET KNOWS NOT the physics involved!!
I believe while He was on earth in human form Jesus chose to limit Himself. So at that time as He spoke to the disciples He chose to leave the knowledge of the day and the hour of His return to His Father, I have no doubt that now, again from His eternal perspective He does know exactly when He will return.
It is your ‘belief’ indeed. Yet you have shown that you are merely mouthing the fallacy of trinity with little to no understanding of what you are being taught: a fallacy. Where did you gain the raise understanding that Jesus ‘CHOSE’ to ‘NOT’ know many things ... to what end? How can GOD NOT KNOW? thus nonsense is straight out of the trinitarian handbook. Does it make sense that GOD should be SCHIZOPHRENIC?
But rather, Jesus says that everything he did was BY THE POWER OF THE FATHER; by His Holy Spirit. How can Jesus be ‘God’ yet it is his Fathers good will that Jesus performs miraculous deeds in his Father’s name.
It seems to me that some of the questions you ask are because you are confused or don’t seem to understand that within the Godhead and between the Persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit there are different functions, yet with a unified purpose. There is nothing strange to me about the Father delegating rulership to His beloved Son. The concept and father/son relationship is displayed throughout the scriptures, especially the OT.
No. What it is, is that I am showing you the truth and you are STILL trying to fit the trinity fallacy to the truth of what you are reading from what I show you. This causes you a problem in that you WANT to believe trinity and therefore refuse the truth you are reading.
Again, lacking knowledge and truth of the scriptures makes it easy for Trinitarians to feed you with fallacies... by illustration: I once heard a ‘teacher’ reading a passage from the Bible to his ‘church’... There was something odd about the reading but the congregation lapped it up, believing all the eloquent oratory. Later, I read the passage for myself, and the surrounding verses ... Yep! His eloquence and determination to set out a certain mindset about the passage led to him lauding a false rendering. So, I say to you:
- “Caveat Audientis” : “Listener Beware”!
and:
- “Caveat Lector” : “Reader Beware”!
God; YHWH; The Father, created all things and gave the son of his love the rulership over it.
Adam, the first man, was ‘Son of God’ until he sinned. His ‘Sonship’ no longer exists. Another was brought up to replace him... another sinless and holy man, made like first, not of the seed of a man but from the Holy Spirit:
- ‘For the child TO BE BORN TO YOU,’ to the Virgin Mary, ‘Shall be holy [sinless and righteous] and SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God’
‘Shall be’ is a future tense...
And, Isaiah 42:1 says:
- “Behold my SERVANT whom I approve.. I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT ON HIM... and he shall accomplish all my desires and bring salvation to the nations.”
And, as the Holy Spirit of GOD comes down and alights on Jesus in a light flutter as of a Dove, that the Father fulfils his prophecy:
- ‘This is my son in whom I am well pleased’
And it is by this ‘ANOINTING’ (Col 1:19) that Jesus performs the acts depicted which, again, Jesus gives all credit to his spirit Father: God; YHWH.
Jesus, on dying to
bring salvation to the nations, (a pure and innocent blood for the sin of the first man- Col 1:20)
is raised up by his father God to an IMMORTAL LIFE (being the first to be raised up - in preeminence (Col 1:18))
And God rewards Jesus with the rulership over creation because he overcame the world and cannot be tempted by anything in it... therefore he is the perfect ruler, and ‘god’ over creation!
And here is another fact: Jesus BECOMES ‘GOD’ over the creation... Yes! Becomes... But to be ‘GOD’ over creation is not GOD over all. That would be what trinity want you to believe... If is not so. SATAN is stated as ‘God’ but no one says he is ALMIGHTY GOD... so when it comes down to it, Trinitarians know the difference. And we know from the temptation incident that Satan was a STEWARD Angel over creation. Even he knew he would relinquish the position to a ‘Son of man’ hence his attempt to get Jesus to acquire the position WITHOUT going through the pain, suffering, humiliation, and death on a tree...
